Victoria Bond is a renowned psychic medium and spiritual empowerment coach who has sparked a transformative movement for women eager to embrace their intuitive gifts and step into their true power. She created the Awaken with Victoria Bond movement to inspire and uplift spiritual women across the globe.

Through her Magnificent Mediumship Certification and other powerful programs, Victoria has guided thousands of women to confidently develop their psychic abilities and turn their passion into a fulfilling career.

Victoria and I have only known eachother for a short amount of time, but we feel like we have been connected for eons! A fellow Human design 3/5 we've had many chats about breaking barriers, busting open old boxes and creating entirely new pathways in business and life.

In this juicy permission slip of an episode we chat about:

• Victoria's journey from being raised Catholic to an unexpected spiritual awakening when her son was born
• the intensity of getting to know your own gifts and actively choosing to say NO to living inside of a matrix that requires us to stay small, unexpressed and asleep
• how Victoria and her husband's life has significantly shifted due to this clear choice and her journey towards the multiple six figures success that she now enjoys
• Her Magnifcient Mediumship program - now in its 13th iteration - and the process she steps her community through to awaken their gifts
• Victoria's beliefs that we are ALL mediums, and other unpopular opinions about "truth" and living inside of systems that were never meant to fit all people
• how she uses Human Design to help people understand and appreciate the way they learn, make decisions and develop their mediumship gifts
• how Victoria's own business and life is set up to live and play first, and run her business in a few hours a week, as her projector self has led her to design

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📺 YouTube: @awakenwithvictoriabond

📸 Instagram: @awakenwithvictoriabond

💫 Facebook Community: Awaken with Victoria Bond

 

 

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TRANSCRIPT: S5E8 We Are All Mediums with Victoria Bond

Victoria Bond: [00:00:00] and we can access our great, great grandmother. , and we can channel her information because she wasn't locked up because she was crazy. Maybe there's a bit of crazy in there. I don't know. She was locked up because she had a voice. She was psychic as fuck. And, no one's ever been allowed to talk about it until now.

Kylie Patchett: Welcome to the wild and finally fucking free podcast show. This is a space where truth talking gets real behind the scenes. Grit of the future humans is laid bare, and we are celebrating and sharing the real world stories of change agents, neuro sparkly people, the witchy wild women, the deep feelers, the unapologetic senses, the status quo challenges, and the huge hearted healers and helpers.

And guiding you through this wild ride of entrepreneurship and full heart led contribution to the world is me, your host, Kylie Patchett, aka KP. I am a proudly NeuroSparkly, natural born status quo challenger, and I thrive on helping disruptors, rebels and revolutionaries find their voices, amplify their message into the world, and harness their raw potential.

Alchemise it into unleashing your full potency. Not only will I be sharing the behind the scenes of some of the most amazing, most status quo challenging thought leaders, I'll also be lifting the veil behind my own business. In 2024, I 18x'd my monthly income. Still blows my mind to say that. And this year I am leaning into how joyful and fun it would be to shift from six figures to seven figures in a quantum shifting year, all through leading from my full unapologetic voice, my unleashed potency, and with my big wildly lit up heart leading the way.

Every single step of the [00:02:00] way. So together with my guests, I am going to be sharing the mess and the magic. Spilling the tea on the identity shifts behind stepping into thought leadership. Breaking the ties that bind us.

Unlearning old patterns and reweaving brand new ways of living, loving, learning, and leading. We're here to break boundaries, reimagine what's possible, all while collapsing timelines and leading with joy, love, and our fiercest wild woman selves. This is not just a podcast. It is a rebellion. It is a revolution.

It is an invitation to join the Mad Hatter's collective movement. And by Mad Hatters I mean all the colourful, creative, gorgeous, world changing, out of the box humans out there. If you've ever longed to be wild and finally fucking free, this is your sign to lean in. Let's get started.

. Welcome to another podcast episode. I have the beautiful Victoria Bond in the house. How are you? Hi Kylie. Hello everyone. Oh, I'm so excited for this juicy conversation. We have only just met each other. I feel like we've known each other for like decades. Because I'm like totally my type of people.

So welcome, welcome. For those who don't already know you, could you share a bit about yourself and your work in the world? Yeah, absolutely. So my name is Victoria Bond. I've got two Lillies. I've got an 11 year old and a nine year old, actually not that little, I suppose. And long story short is I was brought up Catholic and I woke up really intensely when I was pregnant with my son.

Victoria Bond: His name is Christian. So very ironic there. Yes. Woke up when I was like pregnant. Um, and what I mean by waking up is my spiritual gifts were activated extremely. I come from a long line of mediums, which were, it was hidden. The gift was hidden because of course we were brought up Catholic. [00:04:00] And, um, when he was born and for the first year or two of his life, I started exploring.

Really? Why the heck I'm here on this planet and I revoked my religion and now I'm a mediumship teacher. So that's the real short, you know, part of it. And you know, I went from being a hairdresser, so having a trade of the hairdresser, which I loved, and my husband being an electrical engineer, um, and having a life which was really hustle and horrible in some ways, beautiful in others, but it wasn't for me.

And, um, basically, we decided to change our life. Completely. And now we work for ourselves. We make multiple six figures doing what we love. We have been appearance, we're in love. We've been together since we were 17. I'm now nearly 42 and actually I was 16. I lie, it just turned 16 . And um, we are just creating a ripple effect change in the world and with doing what we love.

So that is the short of the long. Oh, I love this for so many reasons. I just, we were talking a couple of weeks ago and I was like, Oh my God, your lifestyle and the fact that you live so close to the beach. And like, I might want to be you when I grow up, even though I'm older than you. But, um, I, before we even get to that huge change, please let us know.

Kylie Patchett: In fact, I want to know, I want to ask. Have you heard other people being like having their awakening during pregnancy? Is that something that's kind of a pattern as well? A thousand percent. Yeah. I mean, I didn't know this at the time because I had been living under a rock and praying on my knees for God to help me, you know, um, which I still believe in many different aspects, but I don't believe in this patriarch system, of course.

Victoria Bond: , like many of us. Who are waking up within our energetics , but, um, I believe that having a baby being pregnant is, it's a creation and we birth not just children, but we birth our creations and, you know, [00:06:00] Of course, the feminine, this is going to happen within the feminine because every fetus starts off as a female.

The universe is a feminine energy. And of course, um, that goes on to all of our ancestral, um, Shadows and whatnot that that comes through us. So, um, people wake up when they have kids and I work with a lot of mums and I actually Started a thing called mum's time to shine shine back in the olden days About many years ago when my kids were little because I was like if I'm struggling with this if I'm going through this awakening Which I thought was actually a breakdown and I was going to the doctors asking for help because I was depressed and Then other mums, like I'm educated, you know, I'm, um, I went to a school, I live in New Zealand, so I've had it pretty good, I've had parents that, you know, put dinner on the table.

If I'm struggling, and I've got four younger siblings, then everybody else must be struggling. So I got really passionate about making a difference in the world, because I thought, having a baby is the ultimate awakening. Because these, uh, these children are our gods. Guides. Like, I've got two manifest generator children.

 One of them is, um. She's a fairy. She's a freaking fairy. I'm into like archetypes because I can see galactic lineages and soul streams and stuff. And the other one, he is, he honestly, he was definitely like my king or my master. He's my baby that was born Christian. He came in and he woke me up so intensely that I thought I might die, It was an ego death that I went through and I believe that we have a choice.

A portal is opened when we're giving birth. I had beautiful births. I really enjoy giving birth. It was a beautiful experience and it really gave me confidence in myself, , to actually be able to birth. I was, I prepared myself like a marathon to have a baby with my breath work, with my music, [00:08:00] with my hypnobirthing, with my perineum stretching.

But I knew it was going to be hard and I knew if I could do that, I could do anything. And then all of a sudden this portal opened and I'm seeing, hearing, spirit in so many different ways and I wanted to help people. So, um, it was. It wasn't an overnight success. It wasn't an overnight, I didn't even like computers or technology.

And I actually, I was allergic to them. So, um, getting to where I am now and being able to help people going through their awakenings. Um, whether it's because they're pregnant, had a baby, or whether they're just birthing something else. The mission in the world is, um, yeah, truly an honor. So in short, yes, I do believe 

Kylie Patchett: I love this.

And I feel like I want to even go back to like, almost, I don't know, this is like the scientist in me, like the definition of awakening, because I've heard like, there's so many, well, no, this is, this is my perception. I've heard so many people saying, you know, when I went through my awakening and. As I get to know these people, I'm like, these things feel to me, at least like they are different experiences.

And so I wonder whether, is it simple enough for me to say, because I feel like I'm actually, I'm very slow on the uptake with this. I feel like I'm in the middle of an awakening from probably around about three months ago where I just started to be like, Oh, like an entirely different way of seeing the world and myself and perceiving.

timelines and the way that we're all connected and different lifetimes and all of those things. And I just feel like I've spent a good many decades in the left part of my brain being very, you know, organized and logical and scientific and all of that stuff. And then all of a sudden it's like, this door is open.

And I do think for me, it's an age thing. Like I feel like I've, like I'm, I don't know, like some sort of door has opened in this last, like I was saying to you, like unfuckwithable. We are [00:10:00] in the unfuckwithable decade. But how would you define awakening? Because for someone who's listening and they're like, I don't know what you're talking about.

Have I awakened, like how, how would you know, if you have undergone this it's a long story, one question. 

Victoria Bond: No, I get it because I really don't like putting anything into containers and the human language is extremely limited. Although I call myself awakened with Victoria Bond, what does that actually mean?

So I don't think we just have one awakening. So when I explain I had this big awakening, basically I had a shake up to wake up to a part of my consciousness. That I had not been able to access up until that stage. So maybe a portal had opened. It did. Because my son came streaming down from the cosmos as this crystal child to, to challenge me in every way.

But also to teach me, obviously, that we, our kids. do that because our souls here to guide us. They are guides and um, but there's many, like, I feel like every month I have an awakening when I go through my summer season. Like I'm in now, I'm like, Oh, I'm on day 11 of my bleeds, time to awaken because before I was in my winter and I was downloading.

So we have awakenings every month, every year, every age, um, you know, and, but sometimes there's a profound awakening where there's no point of return. The blue pill. Yeah, yeah. And that is what I call the major Big Bang awakening. Um, and for me, I had to decide. Do I live this path where mum and dad, Generator and Manny Jen, tourists, so they're very, very grounded.

They had expectations of me to be a good daughter. They didn't have big expectations of me to be really well off or successful or make a difference in the world. They're like, get a trade. [00:12:00] Because we're not university type of people. Show up early. Like they, they really instilled great values in me. But when I got the house, when I got the husband, when I got the picket fucking fence, the dog and the two and a half kids or whatever they say.

I sat there going, Oh my God, I can't. And I was 33 years old. So not only was I being awoken up from spirit and my DNA was activating in my superpowers and my gifts and what I'm here for. And this often happens around 33 years old and Jesus Christ, apparently it was 33 years old when all this stuff happened to him as well.

And I see him as a, a light worker, you know, um, as an ascended master. So interesting enough. I realized that I had reached all of the expectations that my parents had had for me and I really was miserable. And so it was my husband, we were both going to the doctors asking for antidepressants. Thank God the doctor didn't, not that I'm anti medication, but it was awakening.

I had to do it myself. So that was a big awakening. It's usually the quantum crumble is a lot of people say, um, for me, it was a complete rupture and I had to make a decision and I sat there and I said, Victoria. Yeah. Are you gonna live? 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Victoria Bond: Because these children, the best thing I could do for them is be real and I didn't want to fucking fake it anymore because I was faking on energy.

I was like copying up and winding down with wine, you know, and I was just like, I can't, I have so much depth in me and I love talking about spirit and stuff and I was scared shitsless. So I feel like it was my major awakening, but I've had many, many awakenings and I believe that we should not put things into boxes or finite, but we do have limitations with our language.

Um, when people go, how many guides do I have? Ten? I'm like, or what are my guides names? I talk about this a lot on my YouTube channel. I'm like, seriously, [00:14:00] like let's. Learn things like human design, for instance, let's learn it and let's throw it out the fucking window, so we don't get stuck into another dogma or like another, um, another system, you know, so yeah, that's, it's hard to actually answer that, but I truly believe that there's different levels of conscious awakening and awareness, and I feel like it got through every month, every year, every time my kid has a birthday, kids have a birthday, and, but that major one, do take it.

the pill of consciousness and I had to make a contract with myself right then and there I will choose to do the right thing to be the best person I can fucking be no matter what. I can lose the love of my life who I've been codependent on for the first freaking 10 years because we've been together since we were children.

I could be the perfect mum and pretend that I'm not burning out. Or I could be so real and shake up my reality that everyone doubts me, but I don't doubt myself. And if I lose everything, including my husband and my house and the respect from the world, I don't give a shit because if it wasn't real, then I want real.

And thank God my husband grew with me and he is amazing. Um, and my children love watching me and I live a life by my design as a projector and my design as a spiritual guide and. No fucks given and now, but it took a long time to get to that point of, you know, being the people like being the, the, the reformed people pleaser.

And I still do have those tendencies to say that we are completely reformed or healed from everything is bullshit. We of course, we walk with our shadows. 

Kylie Patchett: Yep. It's constant. I love so many things that I love here. I feel like, um, what's really resonating with me is that decision of like, I. Um, even if everything that I believe are the most important things in my life, none of that means anything if it's based [00:16:00] on a lie of me not being true to myself.

Um, and we were just talking about before we started recording, like shedding, you know, relationships and friendships. It's just like, yeah, sometimes, sometimes you realize that. I think one of my major lessons of the last, say 10 years is like all of the ways that I self abandoned. To keep the peace or to people, please, or whatever.

I call myself a recovering good girl. Like, you know, recovering, not recovered. Um, and I feel like when you decide to choose something that is not inside the matrix coming back to the, you know, the red pill pill and blue pill, like you're actually. It's very, it can be very activating for people because you're saying no to the system that they have been trying to proliferate themselves.

And if you choose to be out of the system, then what does that mean about them? I'm interested when this all started happening, what was your mom and dad's response to You know, giving up hairdressing, starting an online business. Are they just like, what the actual, like what? Yeah, I think, 

Victoria Bond: um, I love my parents.

I am really grateful. And I've really, my, my dad and I have really smashed out some of our, the like patterns, alcoholism, um, my dad doesn't drink any longer. No, do I. Um, there's been a lot of patterns that we've been able to break, but my, they were talking behind my back, like I love my parents, but they were saying, why would, how would she give up hairdressing?

Why the hell would she do that? Brings in good money. Yeah. Like 30 for a fucking haircut while my kids are at kindy and I'm, you know, paying out whatever and I'm miserable and I don't see my husband at night. So they couldn't believe it. Like they didn't talk to me about it. So my family loves ignorance is bliss.

So you just don't talk about it. Um, which I find very bizarre. Cause I talk about everything, like straight up. I read like we'd both like to verbally process, you know, that's why we're friends because I'm like, Oh, [00:18:00] that's great. Feels great. You know? Um, so my mom really kind of had a resistance because Oracle cards and pendulums and tarot and.

She loves spirit stories because my Nana used to see spirits and say, I saw, Oh, I just saw someone walk past the door. There's going to be a knock on the door, knock on the door. No one's there. The neighbors died. So there's a, we've got a lot of stories, but, and I'll be like, I went to a medium and my mom would be like, do they mention me?

You know, which is hilarious because the minute you talk about a reading or, um, Oracle cards or pendulums, she would just shut down even yoga. You know, she would go to the extent where. If I had crystals or something she found crystals that I had and she I gave them to my brother some little chakra crystals because my brother's 18 years old younger than 18 years younger than me and then I found them in some holy water at her house and I went into the lounge and I go what the fuck is this mom and she goes She completely ignored me and I'm just like, Oh my God.

Cause I'm like my dad. I like to just, if you've got a problem, let's talk about it. She completely ignored me. She doesn't do confrontation. She's from a family where they didn't ever, ever, ever, ever fight. And, um, I said to her, do you think that I'm doing something wrong? And she said, I don't think what you're doing is good.

And so there was a lot of resistance. But what I found, um, and I'm not putting my parents under the bus because they're amazing people. I just outgrew them from a conscious awareness, from my story, my lineage. My mom got me here, my dad got me here, and now I can honor them by growing beyond, going beyond that.

And I hope my kids do the same. But, um, what I found. Super interesting is the minute I accepted and I dropped my own resistance and my own judgment, I used to be like, fuck my parents for not supporting me. But now, and I'm like, Oh my God, I'm making 10k a month. I'm making 20k a month. I said, Mom, I did a 60k a month one day.

And she goes, [00:20:00] how? What? I don't understand. Yeah. And she said, I said, she's like, how did you make that money? I said, by talking, I talk. And she said, who the hell would pay to listen to you talk? That's crazy. Cause they don't get coaching and they don't get this industry. They get hard, hard, hard work. And that's what they've taught me.

And they're great people. But the minute I accepted myself, you know, recently my mom came over. We live in different towns now. And I walked her through my studio. It's full of crystals. It's full of pictures of mother Mary as well. It's full of Oracle cards. It's full of everything. And There's no resistance.

Absolutely none. My sisters are both mediums now. They tuned into their gifts. They've both got jogs just like me. Yeah They're not online coaches, but they're healers and Reiki and do readings. They're extremely powerful. We've all got our own studios And we work together, you know, energetically. The resistance is gone because I do not judge myself.

They were perfectly mirroring me. I don't go talking about the money I'm making and stuff like that. Every now and then I'll be like, Hey dad, look, I got a YouTube channel. I've got like 11. 5 thousand people. And he'll just be like, cool. I'm going to the bush and have no idea what 

Kylie Patchett: that 

Victoria Bond: means. Like they don't care.

And why should they care? Because their baby girl is okay. And um, At the end of the day, I don't need the validation. So there was a lot of resistance, even with my sisters. I'm not going to lie because I go first being the oldest. Yeah. I was talking about star seeds and I had found this interesting stuff about star seeds and chakras and entities.

You know, I was like waking up going what the fuck I'm learning all this information and they were like, don't get too weird Victoria. And now what are we doing? Having cacao ceremonies doing light language together. So we all wake up. It's great, the ripple effect of change is real, but when we're resisting, others will judge because simply I was judging myself.

Kylie Patchett: Correct. 

Victoria Bond: [00:22:00] Right up. I was the one making myself the black sheep when I never ever was, if I accepted myself and I was like, yeah, I'm doing this thing and you can believe what you want to believe and I'll believe what I want to believe and I love you. I love this. So I just came back to being Victoria Bond, like me and being a daughter and being a sister rather than going, I learned some things and you know, like the ego had to drop.

So I really do think everything's a mirror. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. I totally agree. Totally agree. When you're seeking that, yeah. Outside love and approval, you're just, yeah, you're, you're not, when you're not resourcing from yourself, then you're definitely opening the door to all sorts of things that you don't even really want to receive.

But yeah, um, I want to come back to actually no sisters. I didn't know you were the oldest. I knew you had multiple siblings, but I didn't know you were the oldest. That's interesting. Do you, what would you say about. The ripple effect of you actually stepping into this is who I am. This is my journey. Has that directly impacted?

Like, do you think, and I know these are hypothetical questions, but do you think your sisters would have become mediums? Had you not kind of opened the door to being fully yourself and one of them? 

Victoria Bond: The other one, no. One of them. So there's me and then there's my sister who, um, is just under me. Yeah. Um, an age of course, because there's five of us, there was two and then two.

And then the baby who came along at like 41 years old, you know, and I'd already moved out of home. 

Kylie Patchett: So he's like 

Victoria Bond: a different kettle of fish and he's our baby. He's only 23 now. Um, but the sister that was just under me, um, no. Because she was very much like me, indoctrinated into, um, being Catholic. We were grateful that our dad isn't Catholic.

So we got to always see both perspectives of things. Yes. But she wouldn't of. The first time I handed her an oracle deck and said pull a card, she was like, I'm freaking out. Like I'm going to go to hell. Like it was legit. [00:24:00] Um, but the other sister, my younger sister. Who is seven years younger than me. Um, and she's a projector.

She's a 2 4 splint projector. So we're very similar in our designs. And we get, we're like two peas in a pod, literally. But she's, she's got dark hair. And she's kind of like really wise. Because she's a 2 4. So I'm a ripshit and bust. And she's wise. But we've got the same projector energy. I learn a lot from her.

Um, so. Yes, a thousand percent. Um, maybe not so much the mediumship, but I think she would have definitely followed this path because she channels the goddess codes and she brings in femininity. She works with bleeds and cycles. So, and she's not verbal where me and my other sister, we're very verbal. Um, so one sister does mediumship where she's just channeling in.

1. I, I took her, I took her through a crash course of my magnificent mediumship certification. Like bang, bang, bang. She's very quick. She's a three, five, tell her anything. She'll fly. And then she just flew. And probably every two years she goes, Hey Vic, do you mind sitting down and just giving me a little mini session?

Yeah. And I sit down, I go, hit me with any questions. I go, bang, bang, bang, bang. She flies and she's making a business and she's never even done a live. Like seriously, it's crazy. But the other sister, a thousand percent, but my brothers as well, um, I feel like. Because we all, we love human design and we understand with our children and all that type of stuff, we just have so much flow within our siblings.

Um, we understand each other, we don't make each other wrong where we used to make each other wrong. Like it was like, this is the way. Um, so it's massive. And I think. Because my sisters have joined the party, now we really get to be a voice for, and I'm just putting this in because it's kind of interesting.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We get to be a voice for my great great grandmother, who was locked up from a very young age. She had her children, she got put into a mental institute in [00:26:00] Switzerland. And she's been really coming through to all of us, for us to share her voice. Because it was shut down. Um, my great grandmother moved to New Zealand and it was like, go give it up to God, no matter what.

And everything was put under the rug and we can access our great, great grandmother. , and we can channel her information because she wasn't locked up because she was crazy. Maybe there's a bit of crazy in there. I don't know. She was locked up because she had a voice. She was psychic as fuck. And, no one's ever been allowed to talk about it until now.

Too powerful. And that was a hundred years ago. And I'm telling you now the way they treat a woman throughout the world, and I don't want to get into the witch wound, but let's just say like that you're shut down and now we won't. And we've all got beautiful husbands that support us. So I think we all create ripples for each other, but a thousand percent, I don't think Amanda would have gone into mediumship if I was still indoctrinated into Catholicism.

Kylie Patchett: How does it feel now? Like, do you still hold parts of the Catholicism close, but it's not through that patriarchal lens of like, you know, you're going to go to hell if you don't do this, etc, etc? Or does it feel like, I don't know, the two halves emerge? Like, how does it feel to be me? have been raised Catholic, but now, you know, practicing and being a successful medium.

It's like, how do you hold both of those things? That's so interesting. I love this question so much because I went through a dark night of the soul when it came to religion. Um, I'm still a bit. Fucked off with the Catholic way of shutting a woman down because let's face it. It was that And you know what they did to merely Mary Magdalene and taking scripts out of the Bible like and making it this patriarch obviously, we're still rectifying ourselves from that but um I was so [00:28:00] angry and mad and I felt like I'd been lied to and I'm a really loyal person.

Victoria Bond: So when I feel like, and it wasn't, I wasn't angry. I've sat at the table with deacons, priests, and bishops. You know, I, um, literally. Um, lived with a deacon who was one of my mentors. He was my, he was my hairdressing boss. Um, he married us. I loved them. So I've sat and had wines with bishops and priests and they're amazing, amazing people.

And so are nuns and so, um, people that go to church, it's not the people, it's the system. And, um, the blindness when you wake up you see everything and you're like like neo in the matrix and go what did i do yeah oh no and i'm saying to my husband how the hell did you let me get we got the kids baptized and we got married in the catholic church um and all while i'm drinking myself to death you know smoking myself to death um yep why did you let How did you sit by and he goes babe?

Because he's very conscious and he just said I'm just gonna let you be you I love you for who you are and your belief Has got nothing to do that. So I've come back around. Okay, so now I can say the word God I realized very early on and to my spiritual journey that there is How do I say this is indoctrination and both?

spiritual groups Absolutely. Religious. And because I could see that, because I just came from it, and there's a culty, I actually kind of landed in a cult for a very short amount of time. I didn't even know I was in a cult. Oh, goodness. You don't know you're in cults because they bring you in as a modality.

And then it's not until you got the ranks and I'm not one of those rank people like we've talked. I don't give a fuck about being, I'd like to slay my own lane. Um, but when I saw that it was a cult, I went, Oh my. God, that's hilarious. I thought it was a modality. So cults and religion and spirituality, there [00:30:00] is indoctrination and it's a follow the letter mentality.

And I noticed that with the spiritual work as well. So I was very discerning with everything, but coming back around, I've realized that, you know, Jesus was a man that's been proven. It's been proven through documentaries of non Christians going. I'm not biased, but it's proof that he existed, you know, um, But I don't see it in the lens of religion.

Mary Magdalene revealed that book, like blew my mind. It gave me all the answers that I've been asking for. And I cried and cried and cried the whole time I was reading it. Um, I have seen, uh, mother Mary, I have, I see ascended masters. I see, and I talked to them. So I literally just said, I'm dropping all belief systems completely show me the way.

And it was like a seven year journey of. waking up into what is the truth and what happens after death and You know that my husband used to say didn't believe in heaven and hell I was like what is wrong with you? And now i'm like, oh my god, I see how it works Because I talk to spirit because i'm a medium I talk to them and they tell me I know how suicide works.

I know how abortion works I have people that come to me and I can ease their souls and say hey look man. Yeah, you're okay Yeah, you're okay So I do say the word God. Now I do have Virgin Mary and Jesus on my wall. I've got a religious tattoo that I got when I was 23, which still resonates, but I was angry for a long time.

And then I realized I get to make my church in a way I want to make my church, which means I can take a lot of the teachings and. Filter through the lies. Yeah. But I do not resonate with any religion at this stage of my life. Um, I literally redeemed, I was just like, I, what not, that's not redeemed, that's not redeemed, rectified.

No, it's a word like that. I withdrew myself from any religious and um, [00:32:00] aspects and I don't even call myself a Christian. So, straight up, I'm just me, having an experience. It's interesting, I'm so glad you brought this to the table about the indoctrination in spiritual circles as well, because I feel like, It's just more of the same thing.

Kylie Patchett: Here's a box. Here's the right way of doing things. Everyone must fit inside the box. And as we've talked about multiple times, as three fives, we like to find boxes and break the fuck out of them. Um, that we are never, ever going to become ourselves or come home to ourselves. If we're trying to do things in a way that has a set.

Amount of rules or any rules because by definition they may or may not be aligned to who we are meant to be doing, being in this lifetime. So I love that. And I also love what you're saying about your family understanding human design and different ways of being in the world. Because I feel like. All of that judgment and making each other wrong because you're not doing it our way or not living it, you know, according to our value systems causes so much pain and rupture and, and so much turbulence that's completely unnecessary.

So I really want to talk about mediumship. And I also. Can you, let's talk about mediumship first. And then I want to come back to the human design in terms of how that changes the way that you do business, particularly doing what you're doing. Um, so when you first started your business, were you teaching people mediumship or were you actually being a medium?

Like how did, what's the kind of business trajectory for want of a better word? Yeah. Yeah. No, I only found human design about four years ago. Um, And so I was well and truly already doing coaching and creating programs. So I started off basically with group programs, you know, um, it's quite interesting when I went through this kind of awakening and I, and I did my first card reading or my first, my reading and I realized, cause I knew that I was a medium and the reading was so accurate that I was like, Oh my fucking God, that what I saw in my head was real.

Victoria Bond: Oh shit, [00:34:00] I'm gonna have to bring this to the world because as a 35 I learn, I do it, and I share. I share everything. I hold nothing back ever. I don't believe in mystery. So, um. Go somewhere else people. Do not go near a 35 if you want mystery. Yeah, you're gonna get it straight up. Uh, and I don't believe in fluff.

So let's just get into it. You know, um. But I started, like, I wanted to share, so I went to a couple of spiritual fairs, which I was shaking in my boots because I still had been taught to stay away from crystal shops and stuff. So I'm shaking, I'm giving out goody bags at the spiritual fair, a little tiny one that I live in like a little, I lived in a village, so it was a little Hall and everyone's coming and like, hi, would you like a goodie bag?

And they're looking at me weird. 'cause you don't do that at spiritual affairs. But I did. I was giving them crystal packs and I was like, hello, welcome. My name is Victoria. Heres a voucher and here's the gift bag. And they're like, okay, cool. Um, and then I was like. Alrighty. Okay. I need to teach. So what I did was everything I was learning through my coach about human code of behavior, you know, and life coaching models, she would share with me all these life coaching models.

And I created a, like a four week in person, um, like Not a program, but kind of like, you know, these little seminars and I had a whiteboard and I had printouts for them It was a hundred dollars to come and I was like, I'm gonna tell you everything I know Yeah, and I love standing in front of a stage. I honestly three fives.

We make great actresses because like I just love sharing and I taught them everything and I realized that there was about 25 people and they're just locals from my little village and Half of them like crying, you know, I was taking them through all these life models and I'm like, why are they crying?

Like, Oh my God, I'm actually impacting. And um, I put a lot of time and energy into it. And at the end of it, I sold my very first group program, which was called release your blocks. And it was a 12 week [00:36:00] program. And I did it like three times and I started hitting these 10 K months. And I was like, Oh my God.

And I remember just before I hit the 10 K months, I must've been doing this four week, you know, seminar kind of. Program thing. I was doing in one of the church rooms. I went for a walk with a friend and I was saying to her, I just know that the money is going to land. I just know that I'm here to do. I didn't talk about spirituality.

I didn't talk about mediumship. It was all life coaching and it was all everything I was learning as I was sharing it in my own words. And, um, we went to have a coffee and I. Had like four dollars in my bank account. Mm hmm And you know at the same time my husband's going to KFC and his cards declining and he's just going why am I working?

60 hours a fucking week. Why are we like doing this? And I she had to buy me a coffee and I just said Oh my God, this is never going to happen to me again. The next week I made like basically 10k. I didn't know what 10k months were all the coaching world was. I wasn't into any of that because I've been slaying in my own lane changing nappies and, you know, doing hairdressing.

Um, so I didn't do technology or Facebook or anything. And long story short, I sold. My relationship blocks for like, I don't know, under a thousand dollars, I got like 25 people into my first round and I thought I'm onto something here. And then I realized, Oh, you can't do that once. If you want to keep making money, you just got to keep innovating.

So I baited it three times and I saw that lives were really, really changing. Cause they had like, you know, um, messenger access to me and I, I gave my heart and my soul. And, um, then I was just like, After having more coaching, because I do love coaching, I've invested like a few thousand, a few hundred thousand into coaching in the last seven years.

And um, the reflection my coach was giving me was like, the spiritual gifts that you have, this mediumship that you're talking about, [00:38:00] honestly. Like, what are you doing with that? And I said, no, I can't go in teaching this stuff. No one even knows I'm a medium. I'm whispering to my hairdressing hairdressing as I was trying to, you know, trans, like, you know, and I was like, don't tell anybody, but I can see dead people, you know, don't tell anybody.

And I'm looking behind me in case my mom walks in my, my hair salon. Um, and next minute I'm doing readings to my hairdressing clients. And we're talking about spirituality. And I was like, I'm so lit up and next night I'm falling asleep when I'm doing here, because I just, my body was so, cause I was so consciously aware my body was listening to me.

Um, and when magnificent mediumship. My program landed at 4 4 4 a. m. In the morning. I woke up like here it is. I sat down I wrote it down I'd had a new coach by now because I'd up leveled and the old coach became one of my great friends And she wouldn't take me on anymore because I wanted to start hitting the 50k month So she's like, okay, we have to be friends.

You're going to go to the next level. Yeah, I Channeled it through and I literally just we're on the 13th round now So it's crazy, but I did do a lot of readings. Um, I did do my practice. I have not followed a lot of mediums and I have not gone by any of this indoctrination system on how it works. So everything I bring through from spirit is from spirit.

It's not to say I haven't been inspired, um, by coaches. So Lauren Robinson, who's got a book, um, medium and monologues, she really ends. Um, and I did one of her programs like just briefly, but she inspired me cause she was so real. And, um, but yeah, I just, it's been a thing. It's been a thing. Human design came along and I realized, um, when I was told that I was a projector, it came along a few years before that, but I'd looked at it and just went, Oh, whatever that too [00:40:00] complicated.

Yeah. Me too. And then one day it just landed. You're a projector, look into it. And I just watched a little video about a projector. This is about four or five years ago. And I went to bed and I bawled my eyes out because I realized that I wasn't fucking broken. Because I couldn't keep up. I couldn't keep up with the world and I was like, I'm the strongest, hardest working person I fucking know.

I've been working since 12 years old. I worked until I popped out my babies and I had hard babies and because I had to work to pay the mortgage to get food. Going out for a Takeaway coffee was a huge treat. I was brought up with no money. We ate out of the garden, you know, and we went to the beach for fun.

So, and we didn't go to the movies or have takeaways or anything. So, you know, it was really, really interesting for me going through so much and really just kind of going, holy shit, I get to do this work. So good. So good. So good. Kind of gone on a mess on tangent. Don't even know where I'm going. No, no, no, no, no.

This is all. Really big. Yeah. Perfect. Um, I'm sorry. I just finished that thread. I'm so sorry. So I cried myself to sleep. I was like, projector, what are you doing now? I cried myself to sleep because I realized I wasn't broken. And then I cried myself to sleep because I said, how the fuck am I going to do this when I can't work like a generator?

Yes, and then I have committed to my life in the last four years of being an aligned projector And I bring this into everything that I do. I don't believe being indoctrinated in human design There's a lot of people that are making a lot of noise that are not aligned And they are preaching human design and they're not lying because I can see it but Being truly aligned means going into this experiment and experience and I'd use all my coaching through the filter of human design so I can talk to people at where they're at, even a mediumship because [00:42:00] it makes their mediumship so much better.

So that's the story about human design and the Ascension. I just, I love the fact that because, um. Yeah. My, my path of discovering human design was quite similar in that, yeah, it popped up in my field and I was like, uh, you know, it just, it wasn't taking my fancy. It's only probably been about, yeah, maybe three or four years.

Kylie Patchett: Um, but that like all I keep thinking is like a permission slip. Like I was saying to you, like, I just believe there was something wrong with me because I couldn't stick at something. And then I'm like, Oh no, three, five is meant to be snacking on life. Like we're not actually meant to be. You know, I have friends that are still in the same career 20 years later.

And I just think about that. And I'm like, Oh my God, I feel physically sick. But, um, I love that. I love that. You're also saying like human design. I see so many people going, Oh, but I can't do that because I'm blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, Ooh, see now I've gone too far. Like informing and understanding yourself through that lens is one thing that saying, Oh no, I can't do it that way because blah, blah, blah, without actually trying it on for size.

You know, that's another limit. Um, I was saying to you before we started recording, I feel like as a generator, that's a disadvantage in so many ways in terms of, I have almost unlimited energy, which actually means that I can be really undiscerning, if that's a word, in how, in what I'm doing. Um, and I feel like, like, as much as You know, I have heard projectors say before, like, I just can't keep up.

I'm feeling like that's a problem, but I'm actually going, if I could literally physically only work three hours a day or five hours, whatever it is, I would have to be much better at actually doing the things that make a difference. Um, so can you tell me? How has that impacted the way that you run your business?

Because I, like, I imagine that you've seen other business models and you just go, there's no way, like, I just, no way. It's massively impacted my whole entire business because my husband, which is something like I left out of the story, he works, he's my other half [00:44:00] in the business. He works probably eight hours a day often, and he doesn't like being dragged down to the beach or to have a nap.

Victoria Bond: He's like, go away. I'm working, you know, like he's in it. But, um, for me, it's, it's, it's changed not only my business, but my entire relationship, because I used to put everyone into boxes, including myself. Um, but it's. I think coaching through the lens of being a project, oh sorry, of human design is powerful because I can look at your chart.

One of the first things I said to you was, hey Kylie, do you mind sending me through your chart? Because if we're going to be friends or collaborate with each other, I need to know how to talk to you. So with an emotional, an emotional being, so the authority is emotional, uh, solar plexus. I will never push them for answers.

I'm not going to do it because it's mean. You know, it's like pushing my daughter. Yeah. It's disrespectful. My daughter, I have to be gentle and soft and she's a managing, so she's quick, but I will not push her to make a decision. She will always be able to sleep on it and I will always give her the grace of patience.

My son, you know, my husband goes. Why don't you let them sleep when I go, I don't need to, Hey, CJ, you want to do this? Yes or no. So I do this with my clients as well. I'm like, Hey, and medium ship. I'm like, okay, Kylie, what's coming through for you now? Um, Oh no, stop. What was the first thing? Yeah. What's the first thing I know?

So like you're faster than this come on and I what I do is I train people in a way and in essence To find themselves and how are you gonna find yourself in mediumship if you don't know yourself and my biggest motto is To know spirit is to know self. So I help people find themselves. Not be a mini Victoria.

I don't want fucking mini Victorians. Like, I've already got me. I don't need another me. And people will try us on for size as coaches. And that's great. I've done it many times with my coaches, of course. I go and have a taste, like you say. And then I go, oh, [00:46:00] wrong shoes, wrong pants. Let's go somewhere else.

Take a golden nugget and off we go. Um, but. So I've just started, like I say, Magnificent Mediumship 13. And the first thing I do is I send them all a personalized human design reading. Now, I used to outsource this, but now I'm like, no, cause I need to connect in with that person. So I know how to, rather than quickly looking at their chart.

I'm going in and I'm channeling the human design reading. So I don't care about the channels and the gates. They're great. Don't get me wrong. Until you have mastered your aura and how the world works, your centers, like I'm wide freaking open. I've got no motors. Like it means I'm an empath. I'm telepathic.

I can literally talk about anything. Chameleon. Yeah, I'm a chameleon. And I'm scared as shit. I have got to define spleen. I'm spleenic. So I know. Today, you know, after this interview, I'm packing up. I'm going like across the country. That was a splenic hit this morning. Now, if my daughter or a client was like, I'm going to do this, I'm jumping.

I say, Hey, before you sign that contract. Why don't you sleep on it and get back to me tomorrow, babe? I just want to make sure that you're not, you know, that you've regulated and I would do that before I would take the sale. Yeah, so I feel like it brings an authenticity. I bring them in. I help them learn it.

I pre frame, if they've got a one line, not to go down the rabbit hole until it is the correct time and space for them to do so. Mediumship is my jam and I will show you how you can read, but A lot of people want to resist tapping into their gifts, so they will go into another system. So I said, don't get into that system.

But I'm telling you how this can work for you. So I don't even look into my gates and channels. I look into my centers. I look into the arrows, which they call the variables because I think they're really important. Um, and how we function and how we digest life and how [00:48:00] we. Manifest. Are you a specific manifester or are you more elusive?

That's a big difference. If I tell someone go write down a list and this is the self help books, right? Go down and write a list of all the things that you want to manifest. My sister Rachel will go, it doesn't resonate with me. I can't do that. Where I'm like, hey, I'll write a list. Yeah Yeah, so everyone is so vastly different that human design gives you some key codes and this also helps you to quantum leap with your very own spiritual gifts It's a blueprint But it shouldn't be.

And Ra never wanted people to get indoctrinated into it. He actually said, this is a system, um, that is to get you out of the system. And like, and he's, he was a manifester, you know, so, um, I see people getting into the system and they see them getting stuck in the system. And then I can look at them straight away and tell you that they're not aligned.

Um, because I've got, uh, I've got a foresight. I'm very telepathic. Um, but. That's what I can tell straight away when I look at someone you're telepathic you're empathic. This is how you function. This is your waves and Hey, how would it feel to live your life in a particular way to tweak this? I don't believe we can lead or be teachers I think this is a really good question.

Um, I think the answer to that is, is that we can't be mentors or mentors unless we are mastering our own energetics. And that's what human design brings. Amen. Oh my goodness. Can we say it louder for the people? Because I'm like, if you're out of alignment, how dare you think that you could? Yes. Um, I want to move into mediumship in terms of when people come to you, like to the majority of people that come to, um, doing mm with you, do they, do they already experience.

Kylie Patchett: Do they know that they're mediums? Like where, where's the kind of, um, I guess the entry point. Cause I'm interested for people that are listening and they're like, I've never thought of [00:50:00] myself as a medium, but I can do this or I can, whatever. How would, I guess, what are some of the sign posts of a gift that's there, that's kind of in its raw.

You know, raw, unrefined, and kind of dived into territory. It's a very wishy washy question. I get it. I totally get it. So most people do not think that they are mediums. Yes. I mean, I didn't think I was a medium. And it wasn't until I went to a medium. Who said, I was like, who do I think I am getting a healing clinic off my hair salon?

Victoria Bond: And I don't even know if a medium, I'm a medium. And he said, who do you think you're not too? Right. So as kind of, and he said, that's your ego. And that just stuck with me. So a lot of people will come to me and they, they come to me for different reasons. Maybe they lost a loved one. Um, and quite often that can be, um, a question mark of suicide or.

Um, they just deeply want to connect them with their loved one. Um, or so they come to me cause they want to learn. They want to grow and maybe they felt them around. Um, some of them are like me and they just having these. That the ears are popping, right?

Earworm, they call it, you know, that there is a spirit, like hardcore, they, they're not being able to sleep at night. It's a classic sign because spirit doesn't have boundaries because they're in a different time zone, you know, and, um, and then, or they, they're like me and they, they were seeing stuff like with.

Dreams and in their mind's eye and they're thinking that a dead person is kind of coming through to them and they can feel it because they're attracted to the family and they feel like there's a message but they think that oh my god who do I think I am so we always go with who do I think I am there's an inkling that there's something there um obviously when it comes to coaches so I've got coaches and school teachers real estate agents a lot of psychologists Oh interesting Yeah, I get a lot of hand [00:52:00] nurses, you know, people in the health industry, they come to me and, um, I can see the gifts like as clear as day it's, I can just see beyond the person beyond this 3d reality and they come to me because.

They're pulled. They are pulled towards it. It's not my messaging. It's not anything. It's like they're like Victoria Bond I saw you on YouTube and what the hell you're the first person I've been able to listen to There's something about you and your story of being an ordinary Every day girl who didn't pass school who drank too much who had a bit of a mental breakdown that made me realize Maybe I'm going through an awakening.

Kylie Patchett: Yeah, exactly. Maybe there's nothing wrong with me. I attract all people. But I want to attract the everyday people, too. I want to attract, um, the coaches, the practitioners, the healers, to help them monetize their genius. Because we've got this broke mentality when it comes to spirituality. You don't see me dressed like a hippie, like, Where's your purple flowing robe, please?

Victoria Bond: Yeah, like, and that's cool, but I'm just, I'm Victoria Bond, I go hang out with my friends and we take our kids swimming at the beach and I'm a school mom and you know, um, I don't want to have any mystery because everyone is a medium. So a lot of people come to me because they hear me say that and go, what?

I've been told you've got to have this gift. And this is the secrets that mediums, I always say like on my podcast, um, I'm going to tell you the things that people don't tell you. And I've had mediums message me and go, That's bullshit, Victoria. I can't believe you said that. You've got to be born with a gift.

And I'm like, Bullshit! We're energetic beings. Energy is our first language. So yeah, I get people that are kind of questioning and they come in and they wake up profoundly because we can then open the portals of all of these soul streams. We don't have one soul. We have an oversoul, but there's all these soul streams that come in Lyra, Lemuria, [00:54:00] the Palladian, that like the cosmos comes into it, the cosmos.

And we get to channel our higher selves and our past lives. I mean, our past lives aren't us. They're their own entities that stream in through us. And, um, this is all the information that. Spirit has told me and I haven't heard this stuff before I hear people trying to hold on to stuff So tight and I'm like this should be be able to be accessed everywhere So I know I've just gone on a massive rant.

No, no, but it's for everyone Yeah, and I know coaches would say don't say you're for everyone because it doesn't work. But at the same time We're human beings and if you're interested, who am I to discriminate? Yeah, exactly What, what payroll you're in, whether you come into a program and loan your gifts.

And if it's not through me, obviously, there's plenty of free resources everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm interested when people, so how long is MM? I don't, I don't actually know. It's like three months. It could be, it could be 12 months. Um, because I'm very. assertive and, um, I, like you said before about the projector, what can I do?

I'm very effective. And, um, but every round is so different because there's a different soul collective. So we've got the mermaid collective right now. So I know that these guys have all got a soul stream with mermaids. It's really cool. I have to talk to you about archetypes one day. It's so freaking cool.

But, um, so yeah, um, it's 12 weeks long, but Some people will sign up like three months in advance and I, I like, as soon as someone finds me, I like to hold them with love and not hold on to them with chains, but with love and I say, hey, come into my membership first. So one lady who's doing it right now, she wasn't quite ready last time.

She was like, it was the day before and she goes, I'll wait for the January [00:56:00] round. And I said, I'll put you in my spiritual membership where we can get together a couple of times a month. And it's really. An epic membership and um, so she's been with me for six months. So I kind of feel like I love to, it may be 12 weeks from the beginning to end, but sometimes it's a six month experience and then people can, they can sometimes their life is and they come into my mastermind and one to one.

But. The certification itself is the three months and the first six weeks is finding yourself deeply as an energetic, sovereign being. And then the last six weeks is, is practicing with having a mediumship mentor, which is myself. And, um, I introduced the human design and how to work and play with energy, like how to make that your first language, how to call BS, how to take those shades off the conditioning.

And there's a lot of energy shifting. And. Uh, what I call processing so energy clearing statements where we go bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, and light language. And it's a whole fucking thing. I want to actually ask you, um, this is just popping into my mind, but as you're saying, you know, we're processing, but it's quick and it's these like clarity of statements.

Kylie Patchett: How do you see what has grown into this healing industry? And I'm using air quotes very consciously because I see. It's, it's like the same type of thing that we're talking about before. Like there's a right way of doing your processes. Like I think it's a really good thing that we understand more about trauma and how, you know, it can get stuck in the body and all of those things.

But I also wonder whether we, whether we have just made this structure of the right way to come home to yourself. How do you, I don't even know whether I'm making that really clear, but how do you see the healing industry versus how simple it can be if we're accessing through energetics? It is so simple.

Victoria Bond: You don't need a Reiki masters. I'm a Reiki master because I have learned about myself [00:58:00] at 40 years old that I love structure. And I love to back myself, um, and feel confident. It gave me confidence. Now I'm grateful I did because I love my Reiki master. She's, you know, the mentors that I have are not the ones that I've actually spent the hundreds of thousands of dollars on, by the way, my mentors that I have, it's like, I go to a retreat once a year and she's my mentor and she's grounded.

She doesn't have a huge Instagram, but she holds herself. She's the embodied being, but, um, and there's no judgment. Or structure or authority. So is this a gift sharing with a gift? So I say to people, you know, I have a lot of practitioners that come and say, I'm making no money, but I've got 28, 000 certificates.

And when I moved house last time, I threw all my certificates away. Cause I didn't need any fucking certificates. I'm a soul, you know, um, the biggest thing is, um, it's very important to understand that. When we bring a structure to something, and I pre framed this a lot, especially in MM, is to fuck it off if it doesn't resonate.

Yeah. Excuse my language. So, I will do an energy clearing statement, and I will say, I'd love you to create your own. These are my words, and words have power behind them. We know this. A hundred percent. Use mine. Or make your own, which is powerful. Is it prayer? Is it intention? Um, what works for you? So I come in with a structure where they can understand the concept.

And then I go, can we just dismantle all of this transmute, transcend, transform all points of views, judgments, considerations connected to that. And that's what I'd call an energy killing assistant. And then they're like, and I'm like, don't worry. I was just working on your subconscious. Yeah, exactly. Don't worry about it.

We've done it. And like, just drop everything. And I often say like Rebecca Campbell, breathe in, breathe out and let the words just dissipate because your soul is leading. And I love the structure of my magnificent mediumship. I've remastered the whole thing. I've [01:00:00] adapted. I've grown within it. And I hope it's not the same in another 13 rounds.

I hope I've adapted and rolled again. Um, so. As soon as someone gets too attached to something, even if it's one of my concepts, I will actually invite them to, to de tie themselves, to detach from what I'm saying. And I do the same with myself. The minute I hold on to anything, I'm like, hang on a minute, what if I don't need this?

So when it comes to spirituality, that was just from my perspective, when it comes to other people and doing these things, the rules, like protect yourself. The first thing I teach in MM is. Protection is bullshit. You don't need to protect yourself. Who are you protecting yourself from? Who are you protecting yourself from?

Like, on your knees, praying to God, but God is the one who's going to, like, deem you to hell, right? Like, what? Like, no! It's like, God fearing humans, which is what a lot of people talk about. I'm God fearing. Well, fuck, I'm not, because God is consciousness itself, and constantly gifting to me. I mean, that's my interesting perspective, right?

Everyone has their own. But at the end of the day, like any system that has control is literally fit into wherever fits you and your structures. My husband always said religion is great for most people because most people haven't evolved to not be crazy. People. Yeah. He doesn't not to need the structure.

Kylie Patchett: Yeah, you need the structure. I needed the structure and when I look back into the system I was in I know the Hail Mary the our father the very powerful prayers that literally get rid of demons I have slayed demons. Like this is something I teach in my programmers I go deep because I'm not here for fucking fluff.

Victoria Bond: Just talking to dead people. Yeah, exactly. I'm here to go deep So, but I'm not afraid of anything. I'm more afraid of humans So if I am the wounds and the manipulation and the [01:02:00] subconscious that, and their wounds, then I am spirits. So at the end of the day, I don't believe in any systems, but I believe we are where we're at exactly how we're meant to be.

My kids are in the school system. I can pick that apart if I want to, but that's the system that they're in. We can decondition when necessary. So I don't know if that answers your question. Yeah no it does. You're speaking my language because I'm even like This morning I had a few new people in what I call like soothe sessions, which is part of a membership that I run.

Kylie Patchett: And one of the new ladies is like, Oh, I didn't know what to expect. Are we doing a yoga class? I'm like, could maybe give that language, but actually what we're doing is just responding to whatever the needs of the circle are in all sorts of different mind, body, breath, somatic energetics ways. We don't know what will come up and.

Yeah. She was saying to me, Oh, I, I, I don't, I don't even know how to explain that. And I'm like, but do you need to like, like we're so over attached to making sense of things. And I'm like, you could just experience it and enjoy the experience and not need to know what was going on or what was cleared or what was healed or what was whatever.

Because that is all just a story that we're connecting to. It's just like, just be here. Um, but I do understand, like having lived for many years of my life, needing to understand and make sense of in a way that's like, you know, quantifiable and measurable and whatever. And like you said before, like language is so.

And this is what I always find when I'm doing like messaging mentorship and storytelling with people that do work in the more esoteric nebulous, you know, more woo fields. Language is so limited. Like, how do you, how do you describe? What you offer. And really, that's why I love storytelling, because then you can, you know, demonstrate it a shift from one side to the other type of thing.

But, um, language is so limiting. And when we're trying to make it make sense, I'm like, no, no, I think we've lost the point. But I also feel like, um, what we're talking about is the opposite of [01:04:00] what we're conditioned to believe, which is doing the right thing is the way to be okay. And, you know, air quotes all over the anyway.

Victoria Bond: Um, I guess I'm dyslexic as, um, that's probably an exaggeration, but, you know, I found school very, very hard. And when I'm writing in my diary, my words are always back to front and I miss things. Um, whatever we call it, I'm definitely. Neurodiverse. I definitely, um, I've got a lot of autism in my family and, um, I don't want to put myself on, we've talked about this in private, I don't want to put myself into a category because it's my superpower.

But the reason, someone told me once, the reason why you find it hard to write because my brain goes so fast as well. Um, I, And like, I knew there was something wrong in the system, it was a glitch in the matrix when I realized, I know I'm intelligent. My husband always says he's bright, you know, he's, he, he got A's at school type of thing, even if he whacked.

And I went to school and I didn't get A's, I couldn't focus or function or, and I wasn't supported at home with doing homework. It was more like, whatever, do your best, you know, not achievers energy. But the point is, someone said to me. The reason why you find it so hard with reading and writing and spelling is because you're so 5D that the words are too slow for you and they're very limiting.

Now, of course, I know you've done a lot of copywriting and a lot of epic writing and you channel through words. It's not to say that you are less 5D than me. Yeah. But, um, my My gift is seeing and speaking and not putting into people into a certification that is go study your asses off. I would have been a school teacher if I wasn't afraid of the essays or the reading.

I would have been there, but I was like, well, I'm creative. I'm a hairdresser and I love people. Um, so it's, it's, yeah, really interesting how words can be so limiting and so powerful as well. And that's why I love. Prayer [01:06:00] coming not from a protection but from a power place. Yes. Create an intention setting and words they have gravity but again like if people pick me up on stuff because I'm saying something I go thank you very much but don't dissect me because I'm a human being so I used to think we couldn't use the word want so I used to teach that don't use the word want use the word desire and I'm like fuck it I want what I want because I want it I'm gonna create a new meaning around it so I believe we get to write the script as we As we go as well.

And I love what you say, because you speak in my language as well as, you know, I keep thinking, how do I have better messaging? How do I tell people what I'm doing? And I get people to pick apart it. And then now I'm just going, Oh my fucking God, I just am what I am. And you are what you are. And let's be hot messes, be magnetic and attractive with our superpowers.

And if someone doesn't like us, I said, people pick me, my, my stuff apart. And then I'm like. Now I don't have any because I, I literally repelled them all and I'm good. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. I think it's hilarious. Like, you know, I'm a copywriter on the surface, but I can't touch type to save myself. So a hundred percent of the time, my social media and my copy on my website has spelling mistakes and I just don't give a fuck.

Kylie Patchett: I don't, it's not because I can't spell. And even if it was, I don't care about that anyway. And I am so. allergic at the moment to typing and writing in it versus voice noting, like, you know, you know, we need to voice note all the time because I'm like, I can feel and hear so much more when I'm speaking to someone and listening to their voice than what I can with the very limited, you know, black and white typing thing.

Um, and I'm like, if I could just give up language completely, I would like, if there was a way of moving through the world without actually having to use language to try and like describe things that are. So we're getting the nebulous, we're getting, that's going to be happening. Bring it on because I'm sick of typing, which is really fun anyway, but I totally agree.

Like the [01:08:00] magnetics and the energetics of who you are being is far more important than. Yeah, exactly how you're actually messaging. Um, I have deeply enjoyed this chat. Please tell everyone where we can find you. I could ask another 500 questions, but I'm very aware we're over time. So how do we find you and your beautiful self online?

Victoria Bond: Yeah, cool. So first of all, thank you so much for having me. I love, you know, I mean, we both love talking. It's just, it's medicine for my soul, especially with like minded souls. So I hope everyone's enjoyed this and received a few golden nuggets from us. Um, so my whole brand is Awaken with Victoria Bond and I'm on Instagram.

I've got a really cool Facebook community. Um, Awaken with Victoria Bond, um, Awaken community with Victoria Bond on Facebook where people can come in and do, I do live readings and all sorts of really cool stuff. I'm going to join you. And um, I also have a TikTok, which is a good laugh because you know, like let's get into it.

And my YouTube is where you can really get into the deep dive of mediumship, where I've got a lot of free content. , so basically. Awaken with Victoria Bond, Google me and I'm everywhere. Come and say hello. I do have free programs. I believe in giving back to the world. So I do have some free programs and a huge amount of stuff.

 And of course, if, if you're interested in going deeper into mediumship, , we can, um, have a, have a chat to see if you are fit for going into my program or whatnot,

Kylie Patchett: thank you for your time and sharing you and your, I just love how grounded you are. I do. Often find that when someone is talking about the sort of gifts, it's like a, you know, hierarchical, you know, either you're born with this amazing power or you're not. And I just feel like that is not accessible. Um, so I appreciate you sharing from such a grounded perspective about you and your story and [01:10:00] how it's unfolding.

And I can't wait to see what happens next. Thank you so much, Carly. It's been so much fun.

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