Ana is an ex-trauma therapist turned somatic wealth and business expansion coach for audacious women who desire to steward more money and more impact from their ease, peace, and pleasure. She is the creator of Nervous System Business Growth and loves to see purpose-driven women receiving BIG inside of their businesses and lives. 

Having been in Ana's orbit this year as I experienced my own quantum shift, I was so excited to dive into this chat. We speak about 

• Ana's earlier experience of burnout and disassociation when she was working in trauma therapy
• the shift to Ana's own business and moving through what she now understands to be burnout recovery
• working with women in business with somatic expansion and receivership work and the shifts that began to unfold when Ana applied this to her money, and later business itself
• the beautiful love story with her now husband which opened up to feeling safe to be seen and heard, parallel to the nervous system receivership openings around receiving money 
• how ancestral patterning, social conditioning for women, and generational cycles can influence how safe we feel when receiving

Download a free Expansion Meditation to increase your ability to receive money FROM YOUR EASE, PEACE, AND PLEASURE BY TAPPING INTO THE SOMATIC MONEY ACTIVATION at www.anakinkela.com/expansion-meditation

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S5E2 Receivership in Love and Business with Ana Kinkela 

Ana Kinkela: [00:00:00] I really got this like big light bulb moment where I had been doing all this somatic work on all this other healing stuff inside of myself and with other women.

Yeah. When it came to money and business, I was not applying it to myself. 

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Hello everybody. Welcome to another podcast. We are, Oh my God. I'm so excited for this. I'm so full of bubbly energy because I have just been in one of your containers and I feel like that has been part of what's opened up the door. So welcome Anakin Keller to the podcast. How are you? 

Ana Kinkela: Good. I'm so happy to be here.

I know this has been a long time coming, so I'm just excited to 

be here. Perfect time. 

Kylie Patchett: Perfect timing as always. Um, do you want to introduce, so for those crazy people who have not come across you and your orbit yet, um, could you introduce your beautiful self, please? Yes. 

Ana Kinkela: So my name is Anna Kinkella and I am a Somatic Business Mentor And receivership coach for way paving women who are here to build a huge body of work and who also just want to receive from their overflow or they don't have to sacrifice themselves, their health, their body, their desires, or the money [00:02:00] that they want to make.

Um, and I really help them translate that into business success. That feels like an exhale. So. 

Kylie Patchett: Oh, 

Ana Kinkela: that's 

Kylie Patchett: exactly what I just did in my body. As you were talking, I'm like, yeah, this is the magic of being in your space. Cause I feel like I was saying before we started recording, like, I feel like the two big lessons for me, and we were recording this at the end of 2024, but I feel like.

Two things have become really clear after being in your space. And I have to say also, like I've been in your low cost containers and free stuff also multiple times. So I've, I want to talk about the Empress, the activation point in New Zealand that I have shared with you. Um, but I feel like the two things that you have really gifted me is this a, you can desire what you desire and there's nothing, you know, there's nothing Like bad or wrong or not possible or whatever.

Um, so you can own the fullness of that, but also that your business can. Nourish you. 

Ana Kinkela: Yeah. 

Kylie Patchett: Like, I just feel like those two things in my head have been at such a disconnect. And this is why I love, I love interviewing people and understanding their journey as well, because it's like, how did you get here?

So can you like, let's go back. And I know your background is. Is trauma as well. So can you share with us a little bit about kind of the backstory of how you came to this work? 

Ana Kinkela: Yeah, gosh, if someone would have told me I was going to be doing this work, I would have been like, what are you even talking about?

It's such a beautiful way that our bodies of work just initiate us. And, um, yeah. My background is as a trauma therapist. So, um, I did that kind of work for about 10, 12 years. Um, and primarily worked with, um, I started out working with women and [00:04:00] trauma, and then I kind of transitioned into veterans and working with trauma.

Um, I lived in the U. S. for a really long time, so. My dream was to really be inside of a PTSD clinic doing really specific targeted work with, um, veterans and women to help them heal. And, um, I achieved that dream by the time I was like 30 some years old. And, you know, I was like, okay. Um, but also by that point I had felt really burnt out, uh, by the work.

Because, you know, doing trauma based work inside of a larger system, um, healthcare system, and, um, really having, I'm a manifester in human design, so obviously, like, someone was telling me how I was doing the healing and when I was doing the healing and all of those things, and so I think it was just a lot of things that combined and culminated 

into 

this moment where I was like, I can't do this anymore.

I just feel like there's something else and I need to step out of doing healing work in the way that I was doing it. Um, and so that's when I left and started my business. 

Kylie Patchett: So I'm really interested when you, because of all the work you've done on receivership, can you still feel in your body what that was like when you were, like, if you just think about, like, I'm imagining inside of a system that you probably also don't believe in because it.

in the first place? 

Audio Only - All Participants: Yeah. 

Kylie Patchett: I'm just talking about my backstory. Being in medical science and finding that like, this is not according to my value system. It's not upholding the human needs in front of me, all those things. But also your time regulated. You're a manifester, so you're not allowed to have those creative and, you know, lull and rest cycles.

Can you feel that still when you talk about that? 

Ana Kinkela: [00:06:00] If I tune back in, yes, I can kind of feel my past body self that was in that space. And when I reflect back on it, I mean, it was, it was insane because I was seeing like anywhere between six to ten clients a day. And. You know, I realize in order to have survived in that environment for that long, I really had to check out of my body to be able to put things into compartments and to just be able to function and survive.

And so there's just been a lot of awareness for me. I don't think I even realized I was in burnout when I, was in it. It was more of like, I just need to leave. I need to get out of here. My body hurts. Like this, we can't do this anymore. And so there, there's just been a lot of unpacking for me around, like, wow, I stuffed like so many things underneath the surface in order to just be able to function in that environment and do what I was doing.

Um, so I was very checked out and, um, just not feeling very connected to myself or to my life. Which is what ultimately made me leave because I was like, this does not feel like me. Like, this is not how I started off or how I want to continue. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. And also I feel like there's a part of me that's like, especially when you've like, you've stepped into something that you thought was a dream, but it still doesn't feel good.

Then that's, that's discombobulating in itself. Right. It's like, I'm working towards this thing. Now I've got it. And I actually do not feel nourished, satisfied, connected at all. Um, so when you first started your business, so you went straight from that to starting a business. Did you have a time when you just had to just bloody recover from what you now look back and go, actually, I was burnt out.

Ana Kinkela: Yeah. I actually think like the first three years of my business was burnout recovery. And at the I was [00:08:00] really angry and frustrated with myself because It felt like I just couldn't get going in my business. I was in a type of freeze response. And, um, like I just wanted to, but it was like, no matter what I did, I kept hitting all these blocks.

I like invested so much and did all the things. And I was like, Okay, well, this isn't going very well. This is not what I thought would happen. Yeah. And so I was placing a lot of blame on myself, but looking back and realizing it was like a huge period of recovery for my nervous system. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Ana Kinkela: Where I just actually needed to rest and recover and 

Kylie Patchett: if I had 

Ana Kinkela: surrendered to that or acknowledged that sooner, maybe my healing process would have unfolded a little bit differently, but also it was what it was for me.

Um, and then, you know, at the end of those three years is when I actually started to find nervous system receivership work and what that looked like through my lens. So cool. 

Kylie Patchett: So I, yeah, I almost feel like. I don't know. I just believe there's a golden thread that runs through all of us that call us and it's unfolds and pulls us towards what we're meant to be doing and what we're meant to be delivering.

And, you know, so maybe it was by design that you didn't figure out that you needed to actually really rest because you had to feel the sensation of not being nourished to find the receivership. Oh, yeah.

I'm interested because when you were checked out, like when you've left that job and you're in those first three years, actually, I want to reverse out of that question. One thing that I've noticed, um, inside of containers that I've been in with you is that there is a pattern of. Women in business being scared to take on too much because they have experienced burnout before.

Um, me included, like I was literally journaling this morning about this big expansion into being a lot more visible, holding space for a lot more people. [00:10:00] And one of the things that keeps coming up every morning about the, like, you know, the little fear parts is like, I, this is going to be a lot of work, like a lot, you know, I don't know whether I can handle it because I have burnt out before I've done.

And I have to keep on just tending to myself going, no, no, this is a different way of being. We are approaching it differently. You're doing things that are actually easy for you to do and nourishing and all those things. But do you, I've, I've heard you having conversations in coaching calls with other people that are like, I can't do this.

because I'm going to go back into burnout. Is that something that you see a lot, or is that just happened to be when I, where I've been? 

Ana Kinkela: No, I hear that a lot. It's probably one of the most common things that comes up. And I don't know if it's because of the kinds of women that I attract into my spaces in particular because of the kind of work that I do, or if it is something that I think probably also exists in a larger kind of way in the collective and that.

I think all of us have probably experienced like ways of working and doing that just deplete us. Yes. And so when you step onto a path of, I really want this to be different. I want this to feel different. I want my quality of life to be online as I grow my body of work. Um, that fear naturally comes in and just from my, even my own experience.

I don't know that I have that fear in particular. Um, maybe I had it at a certain point, but I don't have it in particular probably because my fear of not, expressing my work in the world is bigger than it. Um, and so I mostly focus on that fear. And we're talking about fears, but, um, I think what I noticed like inside of myself is like, I could actually never go back to that because my body is so sensitized now.

Yes. That like when I'm even in situations that clearly are misaligned, like where my [00:12:00] body's just being drained because I don't love the work or I'm not feeling lit up. I'm like, Oh my God, I literally cannot even sit in this room anymore. Like, I can't. Actually physically do this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The way that I was, cause my coping strategies are now not there.

Like the protections are like, okay, you're now this like person that knows how to honor her nourishment. Yes. 

Kylie Patchett: And this is my, this is my floor, right? Like this is an absolutely essential rule of my reality that my nervous system must be taken care of. Um, I am relating hard cause I feel like I have got, and I do think that this is partly peri menopause as well.

Cause you know, start your estrogen starts dropping and your accommodation just goes out the window. Um, but I really do have a very low tolerance for any, um, Form of self abandonment or making someone else's needs more important than mine, or any of that kind of checking out and making myself not important nourishment wise.

I'm just like, I have a very low threshold, very low to the point where same thing. Like if I find myself in a room, I'm actually just like, I'm interrupting this to say, all right, so this is not the right place for me and I'm exiting because I just cannot physically be there anymore. The 

Ana Kinkela: tolerance level is not there anymore, which is a very good thing.

Like, I think you just get to the place where you're like, I am the most important piece in this equation. 

Kylie Patchett: Yep. 

Ana Kinkela: And I don't need to sacrifice my well being for money. There actually gets to be a different way of being created. 

Kylie Patchett: Which I love. Then this is the whole thing. I want to go back to when you started finding this type of work because you weren't, you weren't.

When you found this type of work, you went straight into like, okay, now I'm going to be teaching about receivership. So there was a bit of a journey for you personally. And I know I love how you talk about how, um, receivership of love and rishi like receivership [00:14:00] have of money have quite, you know, they've been.

Connected. Yeah, very connected for you. So tell us a bit more about that journey. Yeah. I love this story. 

Ana Kinkela: Yeah, it's a good one. Um, yeah. So in the first three years of my business, I was actually, I was working with a lot of female leaders and I was doing somatic work. It just wasn't like, messaging wise or intention wise anchored into receivership.

Um, but I kept seeing the thread, like when I look back, there was just like such a hard receivership thread. And then for me personally, inside of that journey, what like the turning point was, um, I really got this like big light bulb moment where I had been doing all this somatic work on all this other healing stuff inside of myself and with other women.

Yeah. When it came to money and business, I was not applying it to myself. And I was like, wait, what? Like I do this work with people all the time. And I literally have not applied this to like my own money and my own business. And so I was like, holy shit, like what am I doing? And so. I was like, okay, like, let's play with this.

Let's like, see what's possible. Cause at the time in the coaching industry, especially like it was all about mindset and strategy and energy. And it had nothing to do with nervous system. Nobody even knew what the nervous system was until two years ago in the coach. Yeah. 

Kylie Patchett: Right. It's had its time in the sun.

Ana Kinkela: Yeah, exactly. Now it's popular, which is amazing. Um, but yeah. And so I really started turning towards like, okay, how can I actually get my, Nervous system anchored into safety with money because I am such an avoider. 

Audio Only - All Participants: Mm-Hmm. . 

Ana Kinkela: Um, it shows up in lots of different ways, right? Like, this is my nervous system patterning.

Audio Only - All Participants: Mm-Hmm. . 

Ana Kinkela: And so I was avoiding money and I wanted to welcome in money. And I was like, track, 

so , 

that's [00:16:00] not gonna work. So I started to play around with it in my body and I was like, okay, like how do I actually feel? You know, in the room with money, can I help my nervous system start to anchor into more safety and connection with money?

Um, and so parallel to that work, you know, of course, like in my personal relationships with partners, I also was experiencing a lack of receivership. And you know, you experience lack of receivership until you don't until something shifts. Yes. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. Until you decide you're not available for that anymore.

Yes. Exactly. 

Ana Kinkela: Until you create the boundary. And so I was just kind of noticing this parallel. Okay. I'm feeling similarly with money as I'm feeling inside of my intimate partnerships. And You know, I wasn't necessarily connecting the dots fully, but I was like, huh, okay, that's interesting. Um, and really, you know, I continued to calibrate with money, but concurrently, what was unfolding inside of my love life was like, I had let go of these partnerships and drew a line in the sand with like, vague situationships.

Um, particularly the, the last situationship that I had, which was like completely not meeting me, where my inner child was coming out and like chasing and just wanting to like get love and validation. And I was like, Okay, hold up. Like, this isn't actually what I want for myself. Like, inner child, like, let's, let's do a little bit 

Kylie Patchett: of activation work.

Yeah, you know, like, I'm not receiving. I'm, 

Ana Kinkela: yeah, I'm grasping for it. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Ana Kinkela: And I did like this, like, final severance ceremony with that level of receivership. And I was like, I'm literally done. Like, I will be single for the rest of my life. I am okay with that fully if I just can receive [00:18:00] from like another human being in a way that is needing me.

Um, and then literally a month later, I met my now husband Joey. Um, and so I do talk about that a lot in that, you know, when I first met him, there was almost like this, like a little bit of discomfort in the space because I was like, I don't even know what I'm feeling here. Like, usually I get like all these butterflies and I get so excited.

I'm like, okay, we're on like, this is great. Let's do this. And with him, it was like, I, Like I feel connected to him. Like, I feel good in the space, but then also like, who the hell is this guy? Like, I'm not really sure. And I kind of came to the conclusion, Oh, this is like what safety feels like. This is what I was about to say.

Yeah. It's like foreign to my nervous system to feel this way, but there's like a safety of intimate connection in the space here that I haven't fully felt before. And, um, It was just like so fascinating to observe that and to realize that and when I realized it, I was like, okay, okay, this is a good thing.

The fact that it's like kind of weird is a good thing. Yeah. Like, let's lean into this a little bit more. And, um, you know, three months after we met, we moved in together. Yeah. And then three months after that, my business started taking off at a whole other level. Um, and it was like things clicked in, um, inside of my nervous system that I, I, I mean, maybe I would have gotten there with like the money work that I was doing anyway, but.

You know, there's something like we heal in relationship, right? And so there was just something very powerful about experiencing that inside of a connection with another human being that allowed me to feel held and seen in a completely different way. Um, and so, yeah, there was just a lot of kismet [00:20:00] around, you know, that love connection and money.

Cause it was, You know, on our anniversary that same year, I booked out Nectar in like waitlist enrollment and had like a 50k month. And it was just like, it was just so obviously like, hello. Like, strap yourself in. It was not subtle. Yeah. Yeah. It just like really drove home the receivership work at a whole different level.

And I was like, wow, okay. Like this is my work. 

Kylie Patchett: Do you, do you, sorry, go ahead, go ahead. No, no, no. I just, as you're saying, I'm like, even around the nectar, cause you were saying before, like, you weren't kind of literal, like clear with messaging and, you know, calling attention to the gap that there is, if there isn't this work in the background of a business.

And I'm wondering whether when you met Joey and you had that sense of safety, which was. You know, new, but felt good. You know, like it, do you feel like being seen and heard inside of a relationship and feeling safe with that allowed you also the capacity to do that in a business sense in that, like, I'm going out there with something that.

Hasn't been done before, isn't being spoken about, um, isn't as much in the collective as what it is now. How long ago is this too? What, what years are we? Um, so I 

Ana Kinkela: met Joey in 2020. Yeah, gotcha. Okay. Um, yeah, so. So about for engaging in 2021. So yeah, a couple of years ago. Yeah. Yeah, that's actually such an excellent question.

Um, because I do think the receivership work gets at our visibility capacity. Um, and in turn, like impacts the way that we feel safe to talk about our work in the world. Yeah. And I just remember You know, I was someone who never talked about money because I was avoidant about money. [00:22:00] Like, this was not something, like, 

Audio Only - All Participants: um, 

Ana Kinkela: and so it was very new for me to start speaking about that on my platform and it felt very vulnerable.

Ooh, now I'm going to like reveal myself as like this like money hungry animal who like doesn't care about anyone. Like all of the stories that we, you know, tell ourselves about what it means to welcome in money. Um, and so I just had all of these, like, Oh my God, all these mentors are going to judge me that I have known me to be doing like this, like soul work.

And now I'm like selling out and talking about money. You 

Kylie Patchett: are doing soul work. 

Ana Kinkela: It is. It is total soul work. And at the time for me, it like felt like, Oh, they're going to judge this. So surface level. And like, this doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. And like, this stuff was coming up for me.

And I was scared shitless to talk about it on my platform. And then I was like, okay, like. Option one, I don't talk about it, and then, like, basically regret it for the rest of my life because this is coming through so strongly, or option two, I just bite the bullet and let myself, you know, risk being rejected, or not liked, or whatever, or judged, and I just, like, was like, let me just, like, start talking about it and see what happens, and It was like insane.

People were like, what? 

Kylie Patchett: It's pretty insane that you like, you made that commitment because I'm, I'm, I literally, I feel like I'm interviewing myself in four years time because I feel like I'm actually right in this at the moment, literally where I just, because I was, someone said to me the other day, like, Oh, you got overnight success.

And I'm like, no, no, no, this has been coming for a long time. And, but really, if it comes down to it, To me, there was a very clear line in the sand where I was like, this is what I desire. I decide I can have it. It [00:24:00] is safe. I have the ability to get there. And I just stepped into that reality. Literally, I was just like, I'm going to pluck that timeline, lay it down on the floor and step into it.

So I feel like there's a very clear decision. And I feel like as you're talking, like I see you, you know, four years down the track here and you're so clear and, um, Powerful in this body of work. So it's just really cool to hear you speak about stepping into it and claiming it. So do you feel like that the claiming thing I feel like has been, um, the edgiest thing for me, at least in this expansion, um, but having that immediate feedback to fill a program from a wait list.

Ana Kinkela: Yeah. And you know what? It was. It was because I let myself lean into the receivership and the visibility connection, right? Yeah. Because months before that, I was just like talking about this on repeat. Like sharing, because I had so much that was coming through my channel. Like it was an honest, like creative urge.

Me too. Yeah, it was just like, it's flowing through me. I need to share this. Yep. And it just like, warmed up my audience to the point where it was like, boom, yes, we are it. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. Yeah. Like you've already, I feel like that, um, I was saying to my husband last night, I feel like I'm under a, like, waterfall at the moment of this, like, message just gushing.

And I'm like, can I just have a little time off to sleep, please? Like, I just like that. And I'm, I'm noticing in myself, um, I dunno, I feel like there's a, there's a lot of, Women like clients that I work with and also in my like masterminds and spaces that I've been in that are still at the edge of like, I can't share cause that's salesy and this is blah, blah, blah, blah.

And just. When you are available for [00:26:00] really what you're here to do. I have not felt like that anymore because I just feel like this is way bigger than me. This is not coming from me. This is, I'm just the person who's been tapped on the shoulder. Um, and so then it just becomes like, I'm sharing about it.

Cause I'm so bloody lit up by it. And I think that's, what's magnetic. 

Ana Kinkela: Yeah, yeah, 

Kylie Patchett: a hundred percent. 

Ana Kinkela: Um, because I think it's like, it's the body of work that's moving through you and it's not actually about you. Um, I mean, you get to use it as a vehicle for your own individual desires and things like that, which is beautiful.

Um, but it is, it's about something so much bigger and, you know, I shared this somewhere at some point, but yeah. I just, you know, when I was in my early twenties before I became a therapist, I worked for a rape crisis center. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. Doing community organizing. 

Yeah. 

And I remember just like, I knocked on 80 to 120 doors every single night.

Yeah. And like, literally had the most uncomfortable conversation with complete strangers at the door that like was activating my nervous system. But I believed in the mission, right? I believed in what I was out there to do. And it allowed me to like, Overcome those internal voices that were worried about how it was going to come off because I was like, so invested in the mission and the vision.

And I think that's where entrepreneurs sometimes get lost as we have the vision and mission coming through, but we get so caught up in our own personal stuff that we don't know how to, you know, We have to learn how to be fully in service to them. Yep. 

Kylie Patchett: It just reminded me of a conversation I've had often with my husband, where it's like pet.

He calls me pet always has since the night we met in 1996 pet. It's not fucking about you. He's like, he keeps on, you know, he's always just reminding me. He's like, if you are drawn to do it, it means that you have the capacity to do it. So therefore just bloody well [00:28:00] do it. Like stop fucking around with all this surface sort of, um, when you feel into receivership, right?

Now in your own business, what has like, obviously your own work continues to deepen and continues to. Um, expand for you. But I also imagine that as you're expanding your capacity, like you're always on the edge of your own message, I, I find, so what, what is new that's coming up for you that's feels edgy or like, it's like a next in initiation or invitation.

Yeah, that's 

Ana Kinkela: a really good question. I do always find you're on the edge of your own message. Um, yeah, I think. You know, I've applied this message really well to money. And, you know, I think the way that my body of work has developed over the past two to three years is that it's really extended into the entire business ecosystem.

Yes. And that is, I think where the edge of my message is because we are, I think also as like, um, collective, when we think of receivership, we think of like leaning back, we're like receiving and certainly like, I think that that is an energy that's present in receivership, but I do like feel. Like the receivership lens on the entire business ecosystem.

I've found like really transforms the way that you approach like messaging, creating offers and structures and systems and strategies. And it's, that's been an edge for me to like really talk about that in my message in a way that I think people understand it. 

Kylie Patchett: And 

Ana Kinkela: so that's like where the part of us comes up where it's like, but do people get what I'm saying here?

Like, do people understand this? And so I think that that's, that's really important. the edge and the evolution that I'm currently [00:30:00] in because I'm applying this work in so many other different ways. Yes. Um, so it's exciting. And also it's like that like fumble of like, 

Kylie Patchett: where is this going? 

Ana Kinkela: Yeah. What am I saying?

And how do 

Kylie Patchett: I apply it? Like, what's the, what's the invitation? If you, if you want to teach on that, then. Then what I find always happens is like, then you're looking internally going, well, where am I not applying this? Like, where am I out of resonance with this next iteration? Um, and I think that comes back to kind of like we were talking about before with the, like, um, I don't know, none of us need to have permission given, but also, and also being in spaces where there's women who are designing businesses according to their own nourishment.

Is an invitation to the rest of us. That is just by definition what happens. Um, and I feel like something that has been a massive change in the way that I approach things is I have always by definition. Created a business that. repeats and overworking over delivery pattern in my nervous system. And so, and I've done many, many layers of healing work and yeah, everything mindset, somatic, like all, all of the angles, but I feel like it's still edgy for me to go.

Can I let it be that easy? Yeah. Like something that just comes that easy. And then when with that lens is like, well, how do I want the next step offering to feel like for me? Like just because someone else is doing a mastermind with X, Y and Z and it does not mean that I have to just repeat the same thing.

Um, What's come up for you when you have been like nectar, obviously raging success, but also you've continued to evolve nectar as well over the years, I would imagine. What are the things that you've started putting in place in terms of like offering or a team or support of you inside of your business that have felt new?

Ana Kinkela: Oh my gosh. I feel like I have so many different [00:32:00] layers of support. This is 

Kylie Patchett: good though, because conversations like this make everyone else go, Wait a minute, is that possible? Can I really have a team member doing that for me? 

Ana Kinkela: Totally. And I, you know, I think, you know, what I found to be true is like, yes, it's like team and business, but it's also like team and life.

Yes. 

That have made some of the biggest, Yes, that's in my receivership. Yeah. Um, so I'll say like on level of team, like I have different supports inside of the program itself. Um, like some co coaches that can kind of support me to hold different aspects of Nectar. 

Yes. 

Um, I have. You know, VA is who are supporting me on all the things.

Um, an online business manager who's kind of like directing the show because otherwise nothing functions. 

Kylie Patchett: Um, that would be my next on my, like, could I just outsource my project management brain, which I actually enjoy, but is not. How I see a nourishing business model for me. Yeah, that would be my next thing.

Ana Kinkela: Yes, 

Kylie Patchett: this is where I'd like to go. Now you make it happen. 

Ana Kinkela: Exactly. It feels so nice when someone takes that over. Very good. Um, and I also have a tech person who deals with All of the tech, Facebook ad kind of things, um, cause I don't like touching tech at all. It does not nourish me. Um, and then I have a designer who designs my webpages and my marketing.

Luscious webpages. Yes. Stuff. Yes. So good. So good. That's um, oh, and I have a, amazing bookkeeper who I will like forever love. She like pretty much does everything money for me. She does do bookkeeping, but then she also manages like client payments and like tracks all of that. And basically she's a huge part of what also allowed me to get so intimate with my money in a really nice way.

So [00:34:00] good. So 

Kylie Patchett: what about outside of your business? Because I think, um, like we haven't talked about the fact that you have a little person as well. He's very cute. Every time I see a photo of him, I'm like, Oh my God, I miss those days. Um, he's just in the most luscious stage. Like my kids are 19 and 20. So, you know, I mean, they're beautiful, but they're not like huggable.

They're not toddler. Yeah, exactly. Um, so what layers in life have helped for you to feel supported? Yeah. 

Ana Kinkela: Um, well, definitely my husband who care takes for Bruno, you know, on his off days when I'm working, we have Kind of opposing schedules because he has more shift work. Yeah. Um, and so he's actually caretaking for him right now.

Um, and then I have my mother in law, we have like family here in the area, which has been a game changer because, um, his cousin, they're older. She's like 21, 22. So she, um, actually caretakes for Bruno before we've had a nanny, but now she caretakes for him. We have a house cleaner who comes every single week.

to do that. Also on my list. Yes. It's huge. Cause it takes off the pressure. It's like insane how much that takes up space in your head. I'm like, I need to clean. Um, and so she's been amazing and she's been supporting us with cleaning. Um, and yeah, you know, like, acupuncture things, health things like that, but I would say in the household like that, 

you 

know, with a kid especially, like it's been huge to just have family around and I don't think everybody has that luxury and that privilege, um, but you know, at the least having a nanny, even if for like, you know, Two to three hours a day just like makes such a huge difference.

Yeah. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. Oh God. Yeah. Yeah. I look back at the version of me and my first iteration of business when my kids were little and I just think, Oh my goodness. Anyway, let's, you can't go [00:36:00] backwards, so let's not do that to ourselves. But yeah, I'm just like, Oh, okay, well maybe I will be really present and available for my grandchildren if and when they occur.

Not that I'm inviting them right now. Thank you very much. Um, just to be clear. Um, I'm interested when you feel into, like, when I say before, you know, do you remember how you felt nervous system wise back when you were working? Can you, like, what's changed? Like, if someone's listening and going, I don't even really understand what you're saying about this sense of receivership.

Ana Kinkela: Yeah. 

Kylie Patchett: Can you talk us through like, If you can contrast like how did it feel when you were first stepping into Nectar versus how you feel now so that people can kind of see the potential of this work, I think that's that's kind of where I want to go. Yeah. Yeah, 

Ana Kinkela: I think, um, I might even like anchor it into our concept of money, because I think we equate, you know, money, time equals different kinds of receivership, right?

Um, and so, you know, when I was working as a therapist, it was very much like, I have to put in all of these hours in order to receive this amount of money. And basically, like, my level of connection in my body was It's not there at all, um, because in order to do that kind of model, I had to disconnect from it.

Most people are not made to like work for full eight hours and then also not actually be making the money that they need to live. Yes. Um, which I think unfortunately is the situation most people are in, in this world. Yes. Um, where we're really like our nervous systems are trained into in order for me to live, I need to be working all the time.

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 

Ana Kinkela: And so I think the shift comes in like, what if we shift that paradigm on its head [00:38:00] and we talk about like my level of nourishment and aliveness actually allows me to amplify my money tenfold without having to put in as much time and energy into it. Yes. And, you know, to even like try that on in your body, like, what if I know I'm 

Kylie Patchett: kind of like, hang on, hang on, let me 

Ana Kinkela: catch up.

Kylie Patchett: Let me catch up. My body is going 

Ana Kinkela: whoa, whoa. It is like it's and this is why I call it a receivership paradigm because it is a complete flip on an extraction based paradigm. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Ana Kinkela: And, um, it, it really is like, honestly, like I, I think about this work as ancestral lineage work, because when we look back on like what our ancestors had the capacity to do inside of their own lives, you know, even specifically our maternal lineages that, You know, women couldn't even own property, didn't have the right to have a bank account, like, all these insane things that, like, now we do have that right, like, barely, but we do, and, um, you know, like, really rewriting our capacity to receive from this place of, like, I actually don't need to put the extraction first, I actually get to put receivership first, and so, Yes.

Like what could it feel in my body to know that if I provide for my body first and my nourishment first, then money actually just gets to grow in a completely different kind of way from a different paradigm. And this requires a huge trust leap. Like it really requires you to trust the thing you cannot see that you can like start to feel in your body, which is how you build trust with it.

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Ana Kinkela: To like let that kind of paradigm actually anchor itself in and that most of us like actually all of us are designed to receive in a very specific kind of way that doesn't [00:40:00] rely on our extraction in order to, to establish that. Yeah. Um, and so I've just like seen the direct relationship between when people feel nourished in their body and they move from that space, they come to me and they're like, holy shit, how did I just make like 12K?

With like less time and energy than I did in my last launch, and it's not connected to rational mind because we can like make up all the reasons why we need to like do more and more in order to make the amount of money that we want. But like when you really repattern the receivership piece, it just starts to open itself up in a different kind of way.

Yeah. 

Kylie Patchett: I feel like it's, um, I had this, we're playing a game at the moment because I'm in a promotional period at the moment, running ads, they're going crazy well. And so my husband and I have this little game in the morning where it's like, let's get out of bed and find out how much money arrived while we sleep.

And it is such a, like, I, I, for me, I need to make this, you know, playful and light. Otherwise I feel like, yeah, I just feel like, um, when I keep things playful and light, it feels like I'm like peeking into this different field of possibilities and just you know, like widening. And I, and I feel like that's a power of being in containers where people are stepping into different receivership and that we having these conversations going, money does not have to equal.

Time in, and that I want to talk to when you were saying about ancestral patterning, because you've been speaking about like you are from originally from a migrant, like immigration, immigrated to Australia, to Australia with your family. Is that right? No, States. Sorry. To the U. S. Yes, yes, yes. The U. 

Ana Kinkela: S. is 

Kylie Patchett: confusing 

Ana Kinkela: because I've lived in so many different 

Kylie Patchett: I'm like, hang on, is she from I don't know.

But I also, I had a moment just recently where I realized that, um, I had a huge, um, tendril of my receivership stuck in the fact that my dad was my best friend that he also, and [00:42:00] he also, Was born in the depression and had a very particular view of money. And I didn't realize until I was in a coaching call.

And yeah, I just was like, Oh my God, I feel like allowing this to be easy is betraying this loved figure. And I come from a long line of you know, army. So he was army, but also dairy farmers, beef cattle farmers, like blue collar working really fucking hard until your body breaks literally. Um, and I just feel like I'm like, this is literally woven through my ancestral lineage.

And this is up to me to change the way that it occurs for me and also for my daughters and everyone else that comes after me. Um, can you talk a little bit more about that? Like from a, You know, what we see, what's patterned in our DNA, what we used to, and how, even if that were so, there are still ways of opening up to this new form 

Ana Kinkela: of 

Kylie Patchett: receivership.

Ana Kinkela: Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah, I mean, so I'm from Croatia originally. And, you know, a big thing that people are rewarded for, instead of that culturism, I think this is true of most other cultures, is you work really hard, you put in the work, and then you make the money, and that there is something very, um, like, like character building, like, you are rewarded for being a hard worker, which, It's a beautiful thing, but also it kind of, like, propagates this, like, I need to be worked to the bone in order to survive, um, and in order to earn it, right?

In order to earn what I have in my life. Otherwise, if you don't do that, then you're lazy and not worthy of what you receive, essentially. [00:44:00] And so it kind of creates this dichotomy of like, well, I don't want to be lazy and not earn it. Um, you know, I need to work hard, like hustle, do all the things in order to be successful.

And so that's definitely woven through like our society and culture as a whole, um, through, you know, just a general, um, conditioned way of like giving our body up to the machine. Work equals worth. Yes. Yeah. 

Kylie Patchett: Yep. 

Ana Kinkela: Um, and then I also just think that like for women in particular when it comes to receivership, you know, women are really conditioned to give, give, give, give, give, give, um, be everything for everyone.

So I have to be the successful entrepreneur. I have to be the like caring and doting mother and the loving and attentive wife. Yes. And I do all of the things I'm fucking super woman. And I do not have mental breakdowns. Like I am happy and I'm healthy all the time. And we have not been set up to fail at all.

Not at all. Not at all. And so, you know, whether or not we buy into those things on a conscious level, those things have been very much interwoven into how we've been trained as women in our society. I agree. And particularly like desire, pleasure, those things are. Filled with shame, filled with guilt, filled with like, oh, like, I don't deserve that, like, I need to not give that to myself until I can, like, do all the things, check off all the things, right?

And so, it's like a triple, quadruple whammy. We're screwed. Yeah, we're basically screwed. 

Kylie Patchett: But not, there's hope. Yeah, exactly. And I think, I feel like, um, And this is why I'm so passionate about people sharing how they come to their work. We are swimming in an ocean that we can't see. 

Ana Kinkela: And so 

Kylie Patchett: until it is brought to our conscious awareness, there's not even a [00:46:00] potential to open up the field of possibilities.

Cause it's just how it is. And particularly if you've also come from, you know, they're like money doesn't grow on trees. You know, all of that stuff on top of that, which I feel like, um, I was saying to someone the other day, like I never, ever got the messaging that we were poor or anything as a kid. And I also saw, and I still have boxes of them.

And I feel like this is something that needs to be burnt very soon. Boxes and boxes of, I don't know if you were here back in the days where this, but there was, there was, um, when I was at school, there was these exercise books that had these mustard yellow covers, I have got boxes of them with every single cent that my father ever spent in them.

Wow. Yeah. Like every single to the scent 

Ana Kinkela: from 

Kylie Patchett: the 1950s to he died in 2011. 

Ana Kinkela: Oh my gosh. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. We'll be sacrificing them soon. 

Ana Kinkela: Yeah. 

Kylie Patchett: So I'm like, this is done. This cycle is done. Great way to re pattern the lineage right there. I've been burning shit all over the place this year. Like every time I find something that's like old tax returns or anything that had that, like you were saying before, like that avoidant pattern with money, like, you know, not looking at finances or making decisions that I have made myself wrong for or shamed myself for, like, you know, that type of stuff.

It's like, no, no, that can all go. It's like, It's not necessary anymore. Um, I want to share, um, the little story about Epiphany Point, because I feel like this is one of those It's an example of receivership work in real time. So I, um, like I'm turning 50 in January, so probably around the time this comes out.

Um, but I knew that my Chiron return was like in my 49th year sometime. And so I had an astrology reading around my 49th birthday and it turns out that it was on the solar eclipse in April. And I, then, then it turns out that, Just by coincidence, except of course not. Um, I was in New Zealand at a place called Waiheke Island, which is just stunningly gorgeous, beautiful.

And so, [00:48:00] and you were running, I can't remember. It wasn't the first one I came to have yours was like money, honey, but is that another iteration, like another, like three day thing. And, um, it just so happened to be across that time. And, um, so I had been having these dreams about being on the top of a cliff face and being this like.

Like very obviously really powerful. Like, 

I 

want to say like motherfucking warrior queen, like that type of real, like, 

yeah, 

I don't have to use my power or magic outwardly, but there is a shit ton of it in there. And I've been having those like really like body sensation dreams. And then anyway, so I'm listening to, I think it was day two.

Of your experience and I had been leaving early in the morning, who I was with was like they're late sleepers and I'm not so I'm like, you know, tramping through Dr. And just as you start doing the semantic repatterning process in this free container, I come across. This cliff face that I have dreamt about before, and I shit you not, and I sent you the photo yonks ago, before you really knew me, you're probably thinking, okay, um, but I actually came to a clearing that was called epiphany point.

And I'm just like, are you shitting me? So here I am like sweaty as with a backpack on, I've got my earbuds in and I'm like standing at epiphany point doing the, cause you lead people through like a, you know, an expansion process. And I was just like, I don't know what magic is going on here, but I am here for it.

But yeah, I, I feel like I chose, um, the Empress as my archetype. This, well, I actually didn't choose her. She chose me, but anyway, that's a whole other kettle of fish. I just feel like it's all just been, you know, I feel like. When we start trusting our instincts and our, you know, that our life is unfolding as it should, then mentors like you come to us when we need the [00:50:00] message.

And I was just like, Oh my goodness. And yeah, now I find myself, well, what is it at the time of recording, however many months that is. And I just think, Oh, this was actually being. Yeah, this was being written. Yeah. So I think, yeah, I feel like my, I share that story just to say that, um, it doesn't matter what relationship you've had with receiving particularly money, particularly, you know, for women in business.

Um, there is. Definitely for all of us, no matter how avoidant or how, like, I definitely, you know, fingers in my ears, not thinking about it, not receiving it, being scared of it, never enough of it, or, you know, whatever the stories were, um, to see that the shift is possible across that short amount of time.

And, yeah. Yeah, I just feel like, like I said before, like I've plucked a timeline that is completely different. Actually, that might be my final question in terms of quantum shifting, because this is something that you do speak to, like, you know, you're in your business, you're making a certain amount of money and then you have this massive, and that's around the same time as the nectar first launch I'm imagining.

So what happened for you in terms of like, let's talk about quantum shifts in terms of Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Receivership of money. And we know that the Joey love story is happening in the background. 

Ana Kinkela: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So you mean how I quantum shifted? Yeah. What that process looks like. Yeah. Well, you know, it's interesting, like when we talk about like quantum leaps or quantum shifts, and you kind of like tapped into this a little bit later.

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Ana Kinkela: You know, they happen because we've had a period of nervous system capacity growth that preceded that. 

Yeah. 

And then, um, We allow ourselves to completely jump the timeline and it's like all of that capacity that we've built up until that point kind of catches up with us, right? Yes, 

Kylie Patchett: that's what I feel like.

Ana Kinkela: Yeah, and that's exactly what it is because it's time doesn't exist, right? [00:52:00] And so in our, you know, conscious understanding of it, we've been like doing this for like two years, for three years, for however many years. Yes. And all it takes is like this micro shift into a different kind of somatic awareness inside of yourself.

And I really do see the importance of like feeling that on a somatic level. 

And 

so it's our nervous system being in its capacity to receive the quantum shift and like fully anchor it in and embody it. Um, which is why I talk so much about nervous system, like calibration work. Cause it's like, That is actually what allows us to, like, step onto the other timeline and, um, make it a reality.

And so I think for, for me, It just like, in the moment, it felt like I was kind of on this, like huge wave that I just kind of had to move with it. It was like, I mean, you always have a choice, but also it kind of felt like I did it. I was just like moving. I just keep 

Kylie Patchett: on saying to my husband, I'm in a slipstream.

It's really cool, but it's like new. Yeah. But it's, it does feel like a slipstream. It's like, I really, yes, I definitely could. Cause I'm always, you know, I could step out of it, but I'm choosing not to. It's really cool to understand that. Actually, I love the way that you describe this. Um, I think that was inside of Lush where you were talking about, um, trusting the cycles of like the, like the wave, like, you know, sometimes we do need to like rest, rejuvenate and kind of, yeah, wait for the next flow to come.

And I think that's, probably where I've screwed myself the most in the past is just expecting that I would always be in a summertime expansive phase, but of course not having the capacity to receive anyway. So it's like, you're screwed both ways. So, yeah, I, I just, um, I feel like sometimes when before I've been experiencing it myself and I've [00:54:00] read like about quantum shifting, I've always had that kind of degree of like, Oh, what bullshit kind of in my, really, if I'm very honest, like, Yeah, right.

Okay. It can't be that easy, but actually it's not that it's easy. It's just a culmination of multiple layers of expansion. Yeah. 

Ana Kinkela: Yeah. And a lot of people talk about the quantum crumble, like, because as you're, you know, tapping into a whole new receivership paradigm, there is like a period of a lot of things are going to fall away that are not in resonance with that new receivership paradigm.

And. It can be very discombobulating in the moment because you're like, well, what the F like nothing's working. Like all of this seems to be falling apart. And, you know, sometimes we don't talk about that enough. Cause I think that like, as we establish a new paradigm of receivership, there is a bit of a crumble and it doesn't always have to be like.

A tower moment per se, but sometimes it is a tower moment. Um, and then you catch the wave and you're like, Oh, this is why, but it was preparing me for hearing my nervous system capacity to be able to move in these ways, like hold this in these ways and not sink in the way. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Ana Kinkela: Um, cause that's the whole 

Kylie Patchett: shift.

Yeah. It is, I feel like as we're talking, it's almost like, um, I always come back to that, like analogy of like, Um, you know, what's the trapeze people like you actually need to have a level of self trust and trust in the unfurling that will allow you to let go of that to be able to reach for this or receive that really.

Um, Yeah. And I was just talking to a dear friend this morning and she's like, I am going through a death cycle. And I'm like, that's so exciting. And she's like, what the fuck? I'm like, that's what happens before you like, like some big changes coming and you're, you, [00:56:00] you've just signed up for all of the, you know, shedding that happens before that.

It's all good. Yeah. Um, 

Ana Kinkela: yeah. 

Kylie Patchett: Oh, Thank you. You have been as magical as I knew you would be, but thank you so much for sharing your wisdom and thank you for you stepping into and saying yes to this work when it did feel edgy. Because thank God, because then otherwise I wouldn't have found you and you, like, you know, I just feel like what we said about the, it's not actually about you, this message and the, the mission is far bigger.

So if people are listening and still on that, can I really say that? Can I really want that? Can I really do that? Can I really offer that? It's like, yes, because it's not about you. 

Ana Kinkela: Exactly. Why is that? Thank you so much. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.

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