Kylee Bond: [00:00:00] know, you want to get out of the heightened state and things like that, which is magnificent, but I feel like one of the crucial pieces is just learning how to listen and, like, learning your own body's cues because Everyone's will be different.

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Kylie Patchett: Hello, everybody. Welcome to another edition of the podcast. You are going to be exposed to Kylie Squared today because I have the beautiful Kylie Bond with me. Hello, Kylie. How are you? Hello. I'm great. So glad to be here. Oh, so good. So good. We know each other through a mastermind, but for those of our listeners who don't know Kylie, So I'm going to go ahead and introduce myself.

I already know you and your work. Would you like to introduce yourself, please? 

Kylee Bond: Yes, absolutely. So my name is Kylie Bond. And I am the founder of soul frequency, which is a hair salon. Close to Indianapolis, Indiana, and also a founder of the Somatic Soul Coach, which is a business and life coaching for multi passionate spiritual entrepreneurs on their journey to do business differently.

Kylie Patchett: Oh, I love it. I love it already. So many questions in my mind. [00:02:00] Actually the first one I want to ask when you say, um, the, the name of your, like the first business that you just shared with us, I'm like, Oh, so you were always doing things differently anyway, by the sound of that name, like to me, that's like, it's not like, you know, a cut above or all the others.

So can you tell us a little bit about that, how you started in one particular business that you've kind of pivoted to also coaching other business owners and in a very different way to what the average bear business coach would be doing? 

Kylee Bond: Yes, absolutely. Um, wow. Where do I start? I know. Big question. It's great.

Um, okay. as um, an independent salon owner. So it started very small and then have expanded little bit by little bit, uh, four different times, uh, through four different iterations and business models of the salon. And as I was continuing with each model. I feel like, um, the business growth mirrored my personal growth, so I consider it as one of my best spiritual teachers, always.

Oh yes, oh yes. Yes, 

Kylie Patchett: yes, yes. 

Kylee Bond: So I feel like, What I noticed is that there wasn't a whole lot of support when I started out on my own, as far as the business side went. So I really sought out business coaching. I believe it was in 2018. And when I had my first business coaching, we did this big segment of mindset work, and I fell in love with, you know, all the intangible things and all the things that actually weren't business strategy.

But you know, Realized it was so much more, [00:04:00] and um, certain things started coming up, like I realized about limiting beliefs, and any blockages that would come up, and at that time it was just mindset, but then cut to 2020. When I had this really Honestly, it was growing pretty quickly in the salon world and I was Educating across the country.

So it was like My hands were in lots of different pots very grateful very thankful for all of it but I realized that I was living someone else's version of success or Yeah, the You know like what we've been told or what we society has told us to do. Um, like do it this way, you know, you open a salon and then you, um, expand your team and then you run it this way and then you're an educator and you do all these things.

And while I loved each thing for different reasons and met some really incredible people along the way, I was, I burned myself out. 

Really really hard. So it was like a crash and burn type of deal so I remember When you know everything shut down instead of being like Nervous, I I felt relief. It was like a huge weight that was lifted just like off my chest and i'm like this is really bizarre that you know, like Literally the world is, you know doing And, and I just felt a weight lift in that moment when I had to talk to, you know, the gals at the salon to let them know that we had to shut down.

And that's when I knew, okay, things have to change yet again. So here we [00:06:00] are in a pivot. Um, so then went from. That pivot back into work, and then finally had a small break after realizing that something needed to change, but obviously a strategy had to be put in place for that. And I remember going on a family trip.

And also time and space to breathe away from doing 

Kylie Patchett: the worship and 

Kylee Bond: all the things. And on that trip, I signed up for my moving meditation certification known as Empty Out and also my first, um, yoga spiritual retreat. And I was like, we're doing it. Things are changing, you know, so I feel like those two things open the door for somatics going deeper, doing the inner work, and that started the next evolution.

Which, you know, yeah, led to eventually now, um, rebranding into the Somatic Soul Coach. So just being able to share with other business owners. that need nourishment, not only business strategy mindset, but also semantically so that they can run their businesses and be like a fully functioning human. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes.

And not have their businesses run them, which is unfortunately what, and as you said before, like the version society gives you of the success blueprint in, you know, air quotes. Of like, first you do this and then you do that and then you do this and then you, and it's, uh, I am relating hard in my early career.

I, um, yeah, followed the external blueprint of success and found myself at the top of a ladder and went, Oh shit, I have climbed the wrong ladder. [00:08:00] This is not my ladder. This is society's ladder. And I feel like I've just bled myself dry getting to the top of it, which was really awful. Um, I'm interested to hear when you say, um, about pivoting, um, can you take us through, cause when someone says pivoting, I think that I've, I think it's fair to say that most humans don't love change.

I personally actually love change, but I know that overall it can be a little bit scary for, for most people. Um, and I always feel like when, when someone is thinking Getting that sort of internal hit, um, you know, if they give themselves the pause space to actually receive it. So obviously I want to go down that track as well, but when they get that hit and they know they need to pivot, but sometimes we can be so afraid of.

letting go of like, I always think about it like a trapeze artist. And it's like, we need to be able to let go of the last trapeze and then be in midair before you can grab onto the next one. Um, can you talk to us about, let's say early on before you kind of discovered the semantics end of things, how was that process for you?

Did you always really trust that everything was going to work out or what were some of the fears that kind of came up? Um, and also what you've seen? In other people in similar situations, I'm sure it's the same sort of thing in coaching. 

Kylee Bond: You'll have to pardon my. The 

Kylie Patchett: puppy has come to join us. 

Kylee Bond: I heard her.

I was like, Oh, okay. 

Kylie Patchett: It's all good. We did not hear. 

Kylee Bond: Yes. Okay. So, sorry. You said, what was the last part about Yeah, so, um, 

Kylie Patchett: I'm just curious when, uh, when we're contemplating change, and it often can feel like you're like letting go of the known to step into the unknown because [00:10:00] by definition we are changing something.

We are heading into something that we haven't before. Yeah. How do you. Approach that or give yourself permission to pivot. Because I see a lot of people, even in my coaching sessions, they want to step into the next evolution of their work, but it's like, but people won't follow me or people like, I can't do that.

Or can I really say that? Or am I expert enough to bloody, bloody blah, like fill in the blank. So how do you cope with heading into the unknown? 

Kylee Bond: Yeah, that's a great question. I feel like it's been different and that part Has evolved also over the years. Yes. Makes sense. I feel like in the beginning it was kind of like I was just thrown into it.

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Kylee Bond: So, I once upon a time had a business partnership 

Kylie Patchett: that 

Kylee Bond: unfortunately it didn't work out and we decided to go our separate ways but at that point I was like okay well we're doing this you know like we're going to do it and I knew that it was possible but at that point it was kind of like Okay, you know, put on your, you know, your big girl pants or whatever you want to say, and we're just doing it.

It's not going to be easy, you know, because you once had someone helping do a part of the business. So I feel like in that regard, it was kind of trial by doing, and I found out a lot about what doesn't work and learn the hard way. But I feel like as we've changed because I also changed like a business model within the salon of one way that I was doing something and I just noticed that, you know, that's not what everyone was wanting.

That's not the way that I wanted to do business. So I feel like taking the leap. [00:12:00] I always ask myself, like, What is the best case or like worst case scenario? Yep. You know, and, and am I okay with that? Yeah. Like if, what is the worst case scenario? You know, obviously still wanting stability and things for your family, but I'm like, if I fall, which I have plenty, you know, and, and not things have gone definitely not exactly the way I planned.

Yeah. Um, Will it be okay? But then giving myself the grace to like, be able to catch up. So I feel 

Kylie Patchett: like 

Kylee Bond: it's the evolution of like, I call it like the roller coaster of, you know, like how big of a dip can we take before we come back up? 

Kylie Patchett: So I think there's, um, as you're talking, there's like the acknowledgement of, well, number one, um, It's like, it's okay to fail.

I think that the, what you're talking about is really, um, I was listening to someone. I can't remember what podcast I was listening to the other day, but it was a company that specifically has someone measure how fast and how often the company fails. And I was like, that is so cool because basically by definition, it's like, if we are not failing, we're not innovating, we're not, um, trying to respond or whatever.

And so that's one of their key, like. Things to actually keep track of. And I was like, that is so cool because if you can frame failure as the quickie fail, the quickie, you figure out what does work, which is how I see it, I'm like, well, what's the worst that can happen, right? 

Kylee Bond: Right. Use it as like experimental data.

Kylie Patchett: Exactly. Exactly. But also, um, as I'm hearing you speaking, I feel like going and doing the thing by definition gives us feedback that we can trust ourselves that even if something does screw up. We're still okay. And [00:14:00] that, you know, you can kind of, I think for me, at least like trust my internal guidance system, even when everybody else, and particularly if you're just working with someone who's working on strategy, everybody else is saying that is not the right thing to do.

And yet your gut and your heart and your soul is going, no, I need to innovate, or I need to go in a completely different direction. Um, Yeah. And that's, that's why my heart lives with the disruptors of the world, right? Because if I'm like, you give me a rule, dead set, I'm going to try and break it. Like, that's just my way of looking at the world.

Kylee Bond: Any box. I'm like, no, thank you. I can't breathe. This does not work. 

Kylie Patchett: I'm actually curious. Do you know anything about human design? Do you know what you are to the three in your profile? I don't. 

Kylee Bond: So I'm a, I'm a five, one screen projector. Yeah. Okay. 

Kylie Patchett: Projected. That actually makes sense. Um, as I was listening to you, like I have, I'm a three, five generator sacral.

Um, but the three is very much like we have to break it to figure out what to do next. So like, if there's, when I talk to threes, they're very similar to me in that they've had lots of different iterations of what they've done and they've kept on pivoting, kept on responding, kept on. Yeah. So, okay. That's just a by the by.

Um, when you were talking about giving yourself, actually, no, I want to come back to the COVID thing. I think you are not the only person that I've ever interviewed that said like COVID was like the best thing that ever happened to me because it gave me a patent interrupt, right? 

Kylee Bond: Truly. Yes. It was like, the mirror that I needed.

I didn't want to see it, but yeah, it was, it was the reflection back that I needed to see for sure. 

Kylie Patchett: So was the, when you said you were, you went into straight burnout, was that before or after the COVID enforced break? 

Kylee Bond: So it was happening before. 

Kylie Patchett: Okay, [00:16:00] gotcha. 

Kylee Bond: Um, and then when I got back, I tried to sustain and like going into 2021 is like full on crash and burn.

Yeah, I gotcha. I basically kind of burned the business model down to the ground and started over. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah, cool. 

Kylee Bond: Yeah. 

Kylie Patchett: Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. Um, did you get any like bad. Like, I feel like when you're visible or when, when you've built success in a specific like business iteration or business model or whatever, there can be a fear around that sort of like, what will people think?

What will people say? Whatever. Did you get any. Like, have we got any shaming stories or judgment or rejecting? Oh, let's go there because I just want to normalize this. It's like, when you do what you really want, you are going to piss people off. That 

Kylee Bond: comes with the territory. I had no idea the people or the way that that would happen.

So that's a really great point. Yeah. That you bring up. Um, I feel like there were definitely some that were, like, um, I had worked with and, like, known for a while and, um, had really enjoyed supporting and, you know, their journey, but then for some reason, Whenever I decided to start because it first started out coaching beauty business owners specifically and then pivoted to More like creatives multi passionates and spiritual entrepreneurs.

Kylie Patchett: Yeah 

Kylee Bond: So when I was coaching beauty business owners, you know, you tell your story and you're like, um reflecting back on your own journey. Yes. And it really set some people off that I had worked with that were also hairdressers. And I [00:18:00] was like, oh goodness, you know, like that was never my intention, but you know, that's okay.

Cause you know, how they receive it is how they receive it. And I'm sure, You know, it goes both ways, of course, 

Kylie Patchett: of course. But yeah, it's interesting. It's like, Oh, I'm not playing by the rules anymore. So the people that, the people that feel like that set of rules or the box or whatever, like whatever language you want to use when you start shifting away, I think that sometimes it can, yeah, trigger people.

Kylee Bond: Yeah. And I think. Potentially, it just illuminated maybe things that they might have wanted to do, or you know, different things of that nature, and it was very, I'm trying to think of the right word, but it was just, it really opened my eyes, and like, just made me see things in a different perspective, and I was like, wow, I really am maybe gonna upset some people, but at the end of the day, it was either like, upset myself.

Yes. And know, you know, that I'm not growing or doing what, like, I came here to do, what my soul is, like, asking of me. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah, exactly. Or to 

Kylee Bond: just piss a few people off, unfortunately, you know, and, um, still wish them well. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. Of course. 

Kylee Bond: Of course. Yeah. Yeah. 

Kylie Patchett: I think, um, something I've been talking to a couple of my clients about just recently, it's like a theme that keeps on coming up.

I'm like, would you rather be judged and, or maybe rejected or repelling people for being a hundred percent yourself and for doing things the way that you desire to do them, that your, you know, your soul's calling you to do and the soul of your business is calling you to do? Or would you prefer to try to please or try to stay?

Inside of the rules or whatever, like inside the goalposts and still be judged and rejected, but like you, you're going to be, if you're visible, [00:20:00] you are putting yourself out there to be judged, rejected, et cetera. Um, and it's going to happen anyway. So why not just. Do what you're called to do. 

Kylee Bond: Absolutely.

And it's, it's funny too. I feel like you saying that also brings me to like, because I still do hair a few days behind the chair and. I feel like also coming and coaching in the more, um, healing realms, the spiritual entrepreneur realms, um, coming from a very conservative area. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Kylee Bond: I was always afraid that I would upset or like hurt someone and they would disagree with belief systems and, you know, all the stories that 

Kylie Patchett: we 

Kylee Bond: tell ourselves.

But at the end of the day, same thing. It was like, well, would I rather have someone in my chair or doing business with in some capacity that respects me just like I respect them. You know, they can have difference of opinions. Oh, yeah. And ideas and things like that. But we can still coexist. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. Yeah, exactly.

And also there's always the part of me that's like, if you are hiding or diluting or, you know, pleasing away your actual value system and your belief system, you're actually hiding yourself from the people who are looking for exactly who you are. And it's kind of like, this is like double jeopardy people.

displeasing yourself, but you're hiding yourself from the perfect fit. 

Kylee Bond: Stop it. It's so true. And I hate to admit I did that for long, longer than I would have liked. 

Kylie Patchett: Well, so do most of us. I think, I think for me, I feel like I'm only really just truly stepping into this in my 40, like late forties. And I'm like, you know, I look back at the 20 year old, like the 20 year old me that climbed [00:22:00] the wrong ladder and was a general manager of a medical company.

Every single thing about that picture like I literally can feel myself sitting in my office at the top of this. Yeah, big building of medical suites looking out the window just thinking, how the fuck did I get here. Because I am kowtowing to, like, I used to report to five thoracic physicians, like 50 to six year old men.

And this was in the late nineties. So you can imagine what that was like. It was like reporting to six dinosaurs or five or six, half of it was five, half of it was six, but, um, you know, the people pleasing and the sense of, um, having to prove myself even more because it was a male dominated, you know, like medical company people generally are going to be, you know, GMs and above are males.

Well, at least then, and at least in Australia, I don't know if it's, you know, but that all that conservative right way of doing things and being professional, like I remember the uniform we had, had this like cravat type of thing. And I'm like, Oh, it's like, You couldn't get any different to who I actually am.

I just look back and think, Oh, poor 27 year old me that thought that she had to play that game to feel okay about herself or, I don't know, I don't even, to get ahead, to make it. Like, um, anyway. Um, when you say conservative area, I'm interested when, because I live in a little country town, so I feel like I, Yes, similar.

Yeah, I mean, it would be different because Australia has got its own culture as well. But, um, yeah, I feel like I still have parts of me that don't actually share really what I do. Okay. I feel a little bit like an alien. I'm just going to be honest in the town that I'm in. Yeah. So when you started doing more of your coaching and folding in the semantics and the mindset, did you start in your local area or was that more [00:24:00] so like in the global kind of stage and Yeah.

So 

Kylee Bond: I started with the beauty business owners and I feel like it was cool to see those that were like open to it. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes, 

Kylee Bond: you know, and, and just open to receiving that information. But then I also noticed some, you know, locally that maybe they didn't want to tap into that side and that's okay. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Kylee Bond: Um, but I feel like what I've learned through Like kundalini yoga and just all of that, it's been so fun to expand beyond just my region and to, to chat with others that are, you know, living in other places as well and that have just, I guess, are more open to the idea of energetics and, you know, all the yogas and, um, Yeah.

All the, all the fun stuff. Yeah, exactly. Thank heavens for the internet. 

Kylie Patchett: Cause I think, how would I, I couldn't live where I live if it wasn't for the internet. Like if I, if I wasn't able to have these conversations and work with the clients I do all over the world, I would not be able to live where I do because I just wouldn't My people are not necessarily here.

And in fact, they're not here. That's just basic. Mind you. I think also that the flip side of that is that I don't actively seek out people, you know, a little bit further away, but you know, still a drive or whatever, a way that could be more my people, because the internet makes it so easy for us to connect.

So, so then you miss out on the yeah. The lives anyway. Um, when you. Um, and then you were learning like the [00:26:00] mindset piece. Yes. What do you feel like, um, It was obviously a part of you that was like, there's gotta be like, there's something else here that I'm not harnessing yet, or I'm not, you know, opening up yet or whatever.

Um, what do you feel like including the semantics and the energetics end of things has added to your own business experience and life experience? 

Kylee Bond: I feel like it made me more aware. 

Kylie Patchett: Like 

Kylee Bond: the awareness piece was significant. So I feel like, um, even quieting because like, I, one of my patterns, so first it started with me noticing that I kept repeating patterns or similar patterns would happen in business and I'm like, okay, how many times do I need to learn this lesson before we're done with it?

What is this 

Kylie Patchett: thing? I'm bumping myself up against again. 

Kylee Bond: Right. And then I was like, hold on a minute. I know I am playing a part in this. Yes. So, how do we dig into this? And after I took the moving meditation training, just how my body felt, like to, it's literally called empty out. So you're like, you know, emptying out, it's a repetitive movement practice.

To get you to your energetic baseline so that you can just feel what's going on without judging it and, um, just noticing, you know, somatically what's going on. And I was like, Huh. This is interesting. Like, I don't think I've ever been this quiet with my thoughts before, but it allowed my intuition to speak up more, where I feel like I had been, like, smashing it down from just being so busy.

Yeah, [00:28:00] 

Kylie Patchett: busy, busy. 

Kylee Bond: Um, and then I feel like with, um, the energetic piece as well, uh, when I started doing Kundalini yoga, I feel like that was like even another step to being like, whoa, . Yeah. Like, wow, I can feel this good . Yeah. Yeah. The, the switch has turned on and same thing, it's really funny. You're, I feel like you're super aware of.

Your own patterning, but then you also see it in others, and I feel like it's given major compassion for understanding, you know? Like, people are the way they are, you know? And it's, Everyone's journey to see it. So it's been kind of cool to see both sides. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah, it's so cool. I, um, relate hard to like looking back the same set of things, what I'm saying, like my 27 year old self.

She was just so connected to the story that her worth equaled hours worked. 

Kylee Bond: Yes. 

Kylie Patchett: Equaled getting ahead, like getting the responsible job, whatever, climbing the ladder. And um, I just look back now and I just go, Oh my God, everything about my life was literally to do list. Like I would get up at five, I'd go to the gym because that's what I thought I should do.

Like, you know, the, the, the right way of doing life kind of thing. Yeah. There was absolutely no time in that picture. And this went on for a long time, even after I had my kids, where I actually just at will, I rested in any capacity, like just, and because I think that's actually one of the problems that a lot of generators have just going back to human design, because we have so much energy.

And a battery that's literally wanting to drive towards something. It's really easy to just keep in that loop of like doing and ticking things off. And, but, but it's like, where's the rest? Like, you know, you're a human being, you need rest, you need quiet space. You know, there's a whole other you below this neck that you're living from.[00:30:00] 

You know, I was like definitely a neck up person and then discovering. Wait, what? I have a body. I have an intuition. What 

Kylee Bond: is all this? I haven't thought below. Yeah. Yeah. Revelation far 

Kylie Patchett: out. And I also feel like, um, I definitely have identified as rebelling against lots of things in my life. And I think that that was just a, like a pattern that I was repeating, but it was often at the cost to myself.

Whereas now I'm really clear on. What am I actually, what do I stand for? What do I stand against? And what are all of the things that I used to spend time and energy, you know, raging against that actually aren't mine to rage against. It's 

Kylee Bond: so true. Talk 

Kylie Patchett: about freedom far out. Um, yes. I'm interested when you're working with someone who is more like a spiritual entrepreneur.

So they're kind of, they're already open to the energetics and possibly somatic end of things. Um, and they've got their own like healing modality for want of a better word and maybe multiple modalities. What are the, some of the common kind of patterns that you do see? You know, objectively in that sort of group of people that do tend to occur.

Is there things that 

Kylee Bond: you see? I feel like. What I have seen from time to time is getting stuck in Like almost in the ether Yes, like to bring You know, like maybe it's a thought loop. Maybe it is like so much thinking And being, like, above the needing to ground. 

Kylie Patchett: Ground, yeah. Yeah, and to 

Kylee Bond: bring it back down [00:32:00] into a practical, tangible plan.

And then, that, I've also seen, sometimes that shows up as, like, procrastination. Sometimes it shows up as perfectionism. Sometimes, you know, it shows up as, like, literally freezing, like, one of your responses. Because You're like, I don't know what to do because I have all this information from all the places, and now what do I do with it?

Like, how do I even bring all of these ideas or, you know, all of these downloads? As a multi passionate human who loves many things and doesn't like to fit into a box, how do we know which one to choose? Or, you know, 

Kylie Patchett: um, 

Kylee Bond: but yeah, I feel like it's marrying the mystical with the practical to bring it to life.

Um, you know, down to earth here at earth school to 

Kylie Patchett: where we actually are right now. Yeah. Uh, so true. I'm years and years ago, I used to have a, um, a quiz that was like, it was called the anti entrepreneur quiz. And it was about. The different, it was when I was really focusing on mindset. So it was very, um, you know, mindset sort of lensed.

But, um, what you're talking about is what I used to call the dream. So lots of, you know, lots of time up here, but no ability to ground into reality or stopping and starting and all that protective, you know, all the protective mechanisms, you know, and, and often, um, just thinking back to the clients I had that kind of identified with that archetype.

Often that sort of like. I'm almost a little bit afraid of how powerful I am as a healer. And so I'm going to just keep in the busy work. 

Kylee Bond: Yes. Yeah. Like to really like tap in. Yeah. It's all, it's almost like the fear of success versus fear of failure. Failure. Yeah. 

Kylie Patchett: It's funny. [00:34:00] I definitely relate to both of those things.

I'm like, Oh, for God's sake. Tick tock. Come on. Times are ticking. I just feel like I'm just about to turn 50. When are you going to claim the full magnificence? Um, interesting. So when we are talking about. Pivoting wise, what would you say to people that are kind of, they feel like they're in this messy in between state where they have had that voice or, you know, the clear sort of instinct of like something needs to change, something's unsustainable here, or there's a, there's something else that's going on?

I mean, being invited into, so it may not be that the old way is broken, but just that there's a next evolution. What would you say about how to navigate that messy period where, you know, a change needs to happen, but you're not quite there yet. 

Kylee Bond: Yeah. I feel like, oh, there's so many ways to take it. I feel like as far as.

getting into, like, tapping into their inner wisdom in ways. So finding practices that they can access easily or quickly, you know, to just bring them back, um, whenever, because I feel like whenever you're in a pivot, there's a lot going on. Because like, maybe, you know, one foot's in this direction, one foot's in this direction.

So you're constantly into worlds, so something that will bring them back. Um, so I would definitely say finding a, maybe it's morning practice, an evening practice, or a bathroom practice, whatever you need, as far as that goes, somatically. And then, Being consistent with it, which has been one of my hardest things and learning lessons is the consistency of just, even if the practice is different every day, still doing something.

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Kylee Bond: Yeah. [00:36:00] 

Kylie Patchett: So what are some of the keys of like for your own personal practice? Cause I know this is different for everyone, which is, I know what you're saying, you know, find something that works. So what are the types of things that you commit to each day? Cause I'm a, I'm a big, I'm a big believer in.

Approaching my self care like a prescription, like this is the essentials that have to happen for me to turn up as a human who is healthy and grounded, but also as a business owner. So what are your, like, what are your prescriptive and I don't mean necessarily you have to do everything every day, but what's the type of things that work for you in that type of.

Kylee Bond: Yes, so, I would love to get in, like, a full sadhana, so for Kundalini, like, doing the full, you know, the full tilt, breath, Mantra, movement, and um, I'm drawing a blank. What's the fourth one? 

Kylie Patchett: I don't know because that's one of the yogas I haven't studied. Meditation. 

Kylee Bond: Yes, it's meditation, mantra, um, breath, and movement.

So moving my body is like a non negotiable. Yeah. I grew up playing volleyball competitively for a long, long time, so I feel like my body is just used to moving in that way, and that's how I feel like. At my baseline. So one of my favorite ways is like going for a walk in the park taking my dog for a walk So getting in like steps somehow is like a must And then breath breath work has really changed the game for me.

So yeah, I feel like even if it's There's like a quick practice Uh, one minute breath or equal parts breath, you know, where you can just literally inhale for a certain count, hold for a certain count, and exhale. Three minutes of that could, like, change the trajectory of your day. I'm sure you don't. Yeah, and it's like these [00:38:00] things are so simple, but then even sometimes like I'll get busy and I'm like, oh my gosh Like why do I feel so frazzled?

Oh, it's because I didn't do my things I haven't 

Kylie Patchett: done any of the things that I and I know it's like um, this is definitely a pattern for me This is why I you know the way that I find works now. And it will probably, you know, obviously it morphs in the future, but literally thinking of this is a prescription that must happen every day.

Like it's literally in my asana every day to do. And same with you, like movement is for me, that first cog it's like, if I can get up and move, then everything naturally happens from there. But if I've got like a super early morning call and then I don't get out to move first, then it's like, I. Cause I move, meditate, journal, and then do some, some somatic, whatever.

So it might be breath, it might be, you know, it might be tapping. It might be whatever. Um, but if I don't do that first cog, it's like my brain just forgets. It's like, and then I go, why am I feeling so like. Yeah, frazzled, like, you know, wired and tired type of energy. I'm like, Oh my God, I haven't done anything.

And there it is on my Asana cue for the day. And I'm like, right. 

Kylee Bond: It's so simple, but it's sometimes it's so easy to just forget about that piece of like nourishing yourself first. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. And I think, um, for those of us who have ever been conditioned that the work equals worth thing, it's so easy to.

Mistakenly undervalue this type of stuff because there's stuff to do. And it's like, yeah, but if you do this stuff first, you are so much more clear and clean to do anything that you need to. Um, and also detect what you don't actually need to do, because my brain does sticky things, like adds things to my to do list just to, you know, like that conditioning still in the background.

I'm like, Oh, for God's sake. Um, and also I feel like. Do you find too, [00:40:00] there is still parts of me that resist feeling good? There. 

Kylee Bond: Yeah. It's like, we'll call it like the residual dust. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah, exactly. Dead on the windshield and stuff like, yeah. 

Kylee Bond: And that is so true. I think it's because of so many years of like pleasing or putting others first or feeling selfish for taking care of yourself or taking that time to take care of yourself.

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. So true. So true. Um, I want to tap into, uh, we've been talking about energetics and somatic stuff without me even asking you to kind of define things. So I'm always going to go backwards a little bit here, but in terms of like you mentioned before, like one of the states you can be in somatically is in the freeze state or energetically and somatically.

Um, so can you, if someone's listening and they don't, They've heard the term somatic, but they don't really have a grounded understanding of what that means. Can you first explain that? And then we'll go into the states we can be in, I think. 

Kylee Bond: Yeah. I feel like mine is like a little bit more of, I'll give it like a flowy definition versus like clinical, you know, Yeah.

Yeah. Don't, don't clinical 

Kylie Patchett: us. Yes. Not interested in that. Mine 

Kylee Bond: came from like more of the moving meditation background and just noticing what's going on. So I guess my personal definition would be getting into like the Soma would be listening, finding a way to like quiet the outside and tune into like the wisdom or the information or the feedback that your body is telling you so it's like okay then [00:42:00] once you realize that it's about cultivating essentially a sense of safety within the body so that You can, you know, there's lots of buzzwords about regulating your nervous system and, you know, getting out of, um, certain states because, you know, you want to get out of the heightened state and things like that, which is magnificent, but I feel like one of the crucial pieces is just learning how to listen and, like, learning your own body's cues because, Everyone's will be different.

Kylie Patchett: Absolutely. And I feel like that is why for people like the version of me in my 20s that I keep coming back to that are living from the neck up, when you say to them, like when you use the word somatic and then you kind of follow it up with how you feel in your body, I know if you'd said that to me back then, I would have been like, I, what do you mean?

I don't even under, like, I have no concept of having a connection to my body. So, and I guess that, um, the way that I would sum it up, cause I have a fairly similar journey to you in that I kind of started in the strategic end of things, became obsessed with mindset. And then this final somatic piece has only really been the last probably three years for me as well.

And I feel like When I got in inverted commas, the somatic piece, I finally understood that the reasons why I kept getting stuck in the same cycles of like, you know, the busy work or resistance or procrastination or whatever is because my body literally didn't feel safe to do the other thing. And I'm like, Oh, if someone had said, Like, can you actually, yeah, tune out of all this external, you know, the to do lists and the social media noise and the demands of life and figure out some way that works for [00:44:00] you to tune in to the felt sense of things.

You will have so much more information and feedback that is so much clearer to understand. And I feel like. I'm so glad that you said that because I, I hear so many people when they're talking about somatics, it's like, this is how you feel in this state and this, and I'm like, I actually disagree. I feel like everyone's contracted body or like, you know, seeking safety, running away from something.

It feels like a threat can, can, and is often very different in feeling and felt sense. Then someone else's. And so when we try and say, if you feel safe, you feel blah, blah, blah. I'm like, no, actually my expanded body feels like that a lot of the time. So how does that like, no. And I also, I wonder whether, I don't know whether.

I don't know what part the neuro sparkly end of things for me is as well, because I think that I do feel like having ADHD or autism or both, whatever anyone is, um, has, that's a different way of taking information. It can feel very different for us as well. Like when I talk to neuro normal friends, not that I have them because we travel in packs, right?

But, but the people that I have in my friend's group that are neuro normal, they have. Very different sensations that signal safety versus yeah, I don't have you found that. I don't know whether that's even a real question, but I 

Kylee Bond: Honestly, that's a great question, but I feel like To be honest. I feel like I have undiagnosed ADHD I've never had, you know, a formal diagnosis.

I would say if 

Kylie Patchett: you're a status quo challenger, like, I don't know, I feel like 

Kylee Bond: that comes with the 

Kylie Patchett: territory. If you're a black sheep, if you're a rebel, if you're a misfit, if you're a revolutionary, if you're a visionary, if you see the way that the world is broken and you [00:46:00] want to change it, I reckon that gives you like an 80 percent chance of being neuro sparkly.

That's so funny. Um, the reason I say that is, um, because as I said before, like a lot of people do have a heavier. Kind of feeling about change. Whereas my brain who is, I love dopamine. So anything new is exciting. Yeah. So that means that change for me is like, Ooh, and then we can do this. And maybe we can do that.

And like, I get excited by that. Whereas 

Kylee Bond: yeah. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. You're bringing 

Kylee Bond: up, I feel like I have two friends that you're making me think of. We're like neurotypical. Yes. Where change doesn't feel. 

Kylie Patchett: No. 

Kylee Bond: As. Like, I feel good in change. 

Kylie Patchett: Me too. Where 

Kylee Bond: others, yeah, like, they're like, I don't know. That, you know, like, that's, that's not fun for me.

Like, I don't understand, like, how you can do this, this, this, and this, you know? Um, but also, to that, like, as far as feeling somatically, one of them was like, I don't really know. Like, I don't know if I've ever, like, been able to feel like a sensation or, you know, and trying to, you know, just explain, you know, just cultivating, continuing to find safety and what that means for them.

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Kylee Bond: Um, within the body so that they can access it when they're ready. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. Oh, that's a juicy. Yeah. Definition. You're actually making me think of, um, I was just in New Zealand with a friend and we were talking about, she's like, you know, we really admire cause you know, We really admire the fact that you guys just always just take the leap and just run into things.

Whereas until I was actually diagnosed, my filter of myself, I've talked about this a lot on the podcast was like, God, if I could just stick to something, I might be able to like, build an amazing life. But because I had a lot of judgment on the [00:48:00] pivoting all the time. Right. And this person that I'm thinking of like, I used to be a forensic biologist back in the late nineties.

And she still is like, I met her back then. Right. And she still is. And I think about still being in that career and I feel actually physically sick. Like my stomach actually does a little flip flop, even just talking about it. Yeah. Whereas she's like, I just can't even imagine not. Like, I can't imagine taking the risk of changing careers or, or doing something different.

And um, it's just interesting how, yeah, it's, it's funny. I feel like it's almost like hair, like if you have straight hair, you look different. Like it's like, whatever you do naturally, you undervalue. And then you look at other people, I do, I shouldn't say you, I have looked at other people who are like you.

More. I don't know. They stick to things a lot. And I would go, but I 

Kylee Bond: would be horribly unhappy. I like the evolution. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. Me too. Me too. Me too. Um, yeah. And I always, I, and I seek, um, the other thing I noticed about neuro sparkly people is I seek sensation. That's the other thing. Whereas, um, I think that kind of comes with the fact that a lot of us have more sensitivity to Everything like all the inputs.

But, um, I noticed when I get like bored, I will go and seek sensation, whether it be, you know, like walking on grass or crunching something like crunching ice, which I have to stop doing. Cause I'm breaking my teeth. Um, but like any of those types of things. And I'm like, ah, that's interesting. When we're having this conversation, just connected those two things.

Hmm. Um, when, when you're talking about, actually, I want to ask you another thing about breathwork. So again, I feel like semantics and breathworks having this, you know, beautiful time in the sun, um, which is great because more people [00:50:00] need to be aware of it. But I also, I wonder sometimes whether when something gets its time in the sun, it gets over complicated a little bit.

And it's kind of like, you know what? Even if you just sat with your eyes closed or gazing out at nature, it doesn't have to be eyes closed and just breathe into your belly for a minute. Literally. That can impact your state. If you do it for three, that can massively impact you. Like, like we've. Yes. Like we've over complicated a lot of things.

Kylee Bond: Absolutely. Yeah. And I, I feel like whenever I did, um, my yoga training, it was like. Being cued on how to expand your belly and literally, you know, like from the bottom up, then the last thing to go is the throat. And then as you exhale, it's, you know, from the top down, 

Kylie Patchett: it was 

Kylee Bond: like, wow, you know, so simple, mind blown.

I'm totally breathing differently. Yeah. And it is that easy, but it's like during the day, a lot of times we're breathing, you know, like from the upper chest and we're not. Expanding the belly and getting the full prana, you know, to move. So I feel like too, even walking meditation, like doing breath, like as you're walking, sometimes I have to get it all in at once or else I'm like, all right, we're, we're.

You know, chanting in the head. We're like breathing and walking. We're doing it all 

Kylie Patchett: treadmill at the gym the other day when it was wet. Cause I was like, I need to move. I did my weights and I always, I love to meditate after moving like that. Because otherwise if I try and meditate, Oh yeah. Yeah, exactly.

Exactly. And, um, yeah, I was on the treadmill and I'm like, this is a weird combination because there's like doof doof music in the gym, but I've got my, like block out You know, headphones on and I'm listening to a meditation whilst cooling down on a treadmill, but also like doing a bit of tapping because I could feel it.

It's like, [00:52:00] wow. Okay. We're really throwing everything at this, but I had, I had like 25 minutes and I'm like, I'm not missing it because this is a prescription. Right. 

Kylee Bond: Yes. You find what works for you. But yeah, I totally agree. You can have this big, elaborate, long. You know, dance, but there are certain like breathwork practices or kriyas as we call them in kundalini yoga, where it's like three minutes.

Yeah. 

Kylie Patchett: Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. I actually created a whole program called soothe that I'm just about to re release that's like three to five minutes self care snacks. Cause that, for exactly this reason, I'm like, it doesn't like, it's lovely if you have a two hours to marinate and all the things that make you feel beautiful and absolutely.

If you've got space for it, do all the things. But if you don't, you can also open them up in small amounts of time and insert them in between things. Cause I think that's the other thing that, um, yeah, I feel like there's a collective belief that this self care thing has to be long and it's like, no, you can literally be doing this whilst you're Weighing like, you know, if that's your, if that's your habit stack that you're doing, or brushing your teeth or whatever, like you said before, like a bathroom self care routine.

I'm like, I love it. I love it. I love it because if I can stack it, it happens. 

Kylee Bond: Absolutely. Or like a stitch effort. I'm like, One minute breath in my bed, you know, doing 

Kylie Patchett: absolutely yeah, 

Kylee Bond: whatever it takes. Yep. Yeah, 

Kylie Patchett: absolutely. Far out. I'm, I'm obsessed with the hypnotherapy at the moment that I'm listening to every night and I'm, I tried to swap my.

To a different hypnotherapy, like track. And I was like, I'm just not settling to sleep. It's like, I'm like, it's I've conditioned myself at the moment and it will change, but I do tend to do that. Like I'll get really into something. 

Kylee Bond: Oh yeah. And then 

Kylie Patchett: all of a sudden I'm like, I cannot ever listen to that ever again.

Kylee Bond: Yes. I do that with music too. Like a certain song is [00:54:00] like on repeat. And then when I'm done with it, I can't hear it for a long time. Okay. 

Kylie Patchett: I do that with food as well, actually. Yeah. That is also a neuro sparkly thing. Just FYI. Yeah. Oh my goodness. Um, I want to talk to you about this retreat that you have coming up.

So, oh my goodness. Now this podcast goes all over the place. So I know that there's lots of Americans that listen in regularly. So can you please share what you are bringing to life? And we'll have all the specific details in the link in the show notes as well. 

Kylee Bond: Yes, absolutely. So it is a yoga immersion retreat, um, where we will be spending five nights, six days in a beautiful tree house in the magical land of Tulum, Mexico.

I didn't realize it was 

Kylie Patchett: in Tulum. 

Kylee Bond: Yes. 

Kylie Patchett: And 

Kylee Bond: hey, I know, I know. I do have international travel 

Kylie Patchett: coming next year. 

Kylee Bond: I love it. Yes. Um, but we are staying in this beautiful, uh, secluded property that has our own cenote. It is absolutely stunning. So our yoga shallow, one of them that we'll be practicing at is on the cenote and then it's like beach access.

So we're right there. We have a private chef for nourishing meals every day. And we have, um. special guest facilitators also. So we will have workshops for mind, body, spirit, and business. 

Kylie Patchett: So it will be 

Kylee Bond: for the creative business owner, the spiritual business owner looking to nourish themselves when they spend a lot of time nourishing others.

So it'll be a great time, yes, to just really, um, take a deep dive. Energetically, somatically, um, and just to relax and rejuvenate so that, you know, whoever [00:56:00] decides to come can really hone in on what their next phase or next chapter, what they're wanting to build for themselves and their business. 

Kylie Patchett: So 

Kylee Bond: good.

So 

Kylie Patchett: good. So, and it's so needed exactly like you say, when you're holding space for other people a lot, you need to make sure that space is being held for you and that you're attending to yourself on all of the levels that we've been talking about. Um, otherwise you are not, you are not. as deeply connecting to your message and its medicine as what you could be without those levels of support.

And I feel like, yeah, that energetic, particularly, like I always feel like this sort of work. Um, and it sounds like your retreat is exactly the same like this. Um, I feel like I'm going back to the trapeze thing, I guess it's like this. Beautiful safety net. That's all sort of woven with the golden threads of like, you know, taking care of your physical health, but also your energetic health and understanding those somatic things.

Cause I feel like, um, the end is well and truly here for business through a strategy only lens, because it does not allow particularly spiritual and rebellious and creative people like we've been talking about and you and I to deliver their full self. If you're just talking about strategy, because dead set, it will be diluting your magic.

Kylee Bond: Yeah, absolutely. And part of, I feel like being a business owner or showing yourself as being fully expressed or, you know, and that comes with like trust and safety and, you know, nourishing those parts of you. For sure. So 

Kylie Patchett: true. Oh, so good. Such a beautiful conversation. Thank you so much for coming on. Um, before we go though, can you tell people where they can find you, um, if they're just listening in, we will put all this in the show notes as well.

Kylee Bond: Yes, absolutely. Thank you so much for having me. This has been so fun. So they can find me, [00:58:00] um, at the somatic soul coach on Instagram. 

Kylie Patchett: Yep. Beautiful. Thank you. 

Kylee Bond: And also my website is. Um, the somatic soul coach. com and I'll have the retreat will be up there and all the fun stuff. Good. 

Kylie Patchett: So good. So good. And we should say, um, if you're, this will be 

Coming out in December of 2024, and we're talking about the retreat in early 2025, so go and check out all the details on the links in the show.

No, thank you so much for joining us. It's been a pleasure. Thank you so much, Kylie. This was so much fun. 

Kylee Bond: Thanks. 

Kylie Patchett: Thanks for joining us. Bye.

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